Spoony Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, lexicon said: There's a lot more in life to be worried about than this... Don't care either way. Yes but in a football and villa context we should be worried as we can end up getting fines, stadium bans and points docked. I know there’s “a lot more in life to worry about” but you could say that about literally anything football related. I don’t think the FA are going to come after Villa for failing to come up with a cure for the coronavirus for example so probably not the thing to “worry about” on a Villa forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Keyblade said: ...But if getting to a cup final with a last gasp winner doesn't qualify I don't know what does. Nothing does. It's illegal and makes the club look like a bunch of small time idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted January 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Does it have to be the greatest achievement in the club's history to warrant it? I wasn't a fan of the West Brom and Boro invasions as they weren't very noteworthy occasions. Boro was literally a 0-0 draw. But if getting to a cup final with a last gasp winner doesn't qualify I don't know what does. Maybe actually winning the cup/league? That's my point; these pitch invasions aren't because we won a competition, we get to go to Wembley, that's it. Now that we are going for the 5th time in 5 years, it seems really daft. Also if we do it for a great/significant last minute win, why didn't we do it for the Watford game? History won't remember the losers of the final. If we actually win something, I can see some justification for it, albeit still think its a bit daft. 15 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Also I've never seen pitch invasions spoken about negatively unless it involves Villa. In all other instances it's spoken about warmly and "in the spirit of football". It's so odd. I do agree with this though, not 2 days earlier Shrewsbury fans invaded the pitch after their 2-2 draw with Liverpool but it is suggested that it was "good natured". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Big clubs save it for when they actually win something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Genie said: Nothing does. It's illegal and makes the club look like a bunch of small time idiots. Like I said before, I've never heard of it being illegal until we do it...which is admittedly relatively often. I've always thought it was just another part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, cyrusr said: Maybe actually winning the cup/league? That's my point; these pitch invasions aren't because we won a competition, we get to go to Wembley, that's it. Now that we are going for the 5th time in 5 years, it seems really daft. Also if we do it for a great/significant last minute win, why didn't we do it for the Watford game? History won't remember the losers of the final. If we actually win something, I can see some justification for it, albeit still think its a bit daft. I do agree with this though, not 2 days earlier Shrewsbury fans invaded the pitch after their 2-2 draw with Liverpool but it is suggested that it was "good natured". I agree also, but this in the case of Shrewsbury its because of the result they got in the David versus Goliath match. I think its looked down upon when Villa do it because people don't generally see the result as a particularly special achievement. Just running on the pitch because they can. Endangering the safety of the players and staff for no particular reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Also I've never seen pitch invasions spoken about negatively unless it involves Villa. In all other instances it's spoken about warmly and "in the spirit of football". It's so odd. Glasgow Rangers say hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Maybe actually winning the cup/league? That's my point; these pitch invasions aren't because we won a competition, we get to go to Wembley, that's it. Now that we are going for the 5th time in 5 years, it seems really daft. Also if we do it for a great/significant last minute win, why didn't we do it for the Watford game? History won't remember the losers of the final. If we actually win something, I can see some justification for it, albeit still think its a bit daft. I do agree with this though, not 2 days earlier Shrewsbury fans invaded the pitch after their 2-2 draw with Liverpool but it is suggested that it was "good natured". Well a Wembley cup final is a slightly more momentous occasion than temporarily going 16th in the table I would say. It's just semantics and subjective viewpoints at this point, ie: where the cutoff point is for warranting a pitch invasion. I'm more interested to know if it's actually even allowed in the first place, which I'm finding out is apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 There used to be signs all around the VP pitch saying it is illegal to go on the pitch and supporters that do it will be prosecuted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I love it. It's epic as hell and the pure fan passion is a breath of fresh air with all these new modern stadiums that make no noise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Genie said: I am with you, we didn't even win the cup. Its a bit OTT. I think its become a bit of a tradition unfortunately. Fans see it as fair game if you qualify for a Wembley final. We did it when we beat WBA, when we beat Derby and I also remember a few years back against Blackburn. None of those times were for winning anything. Also:- Did it vs Tranmere in 1994 (2nd Leg Semi Final of League Cup), vs Arsenal in 1996 at Villa Park (2nd Leg Semi Final of League Cup), also against Inter in 1994 after Phil King's winning penalty. Our fans have always done it!! Edited January 30, 2020 by Villan4Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 These dickheads won't care when the club get fined "cos it ain't my money, Fam !" so they'll just do it again and again. The solution ? Police dogs around the perimeter ? Electrify the barriers ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Genie said: I am with you, we didn't even win the cup. Its a bit OTT. I think its become a bit of a tradition unfortunately. Fans see it as fair game if you qualify for a Wembley final. We did it when we beat WBA, when we beat Derby and I also remember a few years back against Blackburn. None of those times were for winning anything. When was the Derby game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Villan4Life said: Also:- Did it vs Tranmere in 1994 (2nd Leg Semi Final of League Cup), via Arsenal in 1994 at Villa Park (2nd Leg Semi Final of League Cup), vs Inter Miami 1994 after Phil King's winning penalty. Our fans have always done it!! I didn't realise they were around back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Genie said: I didn't realise they were around back then Can see it here all fans running onto pitch and running upto Phil King Edited January 30, 2020 by Villan4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, turvontour said: When was the Derby game? Sorry, meant Middlesbrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Villan4Life said: Can see it here all running upto Phil King That looks a lot like Milan not Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Genie said: That looks a lot like Milan not Miami i've put Inter aka Internazionale wasn't thinking before so edited post as typed Miami for some reason Edited January 30, 2020 by Villan4Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, Spoony said: Yes but in a football and villa context we should be worried as we can end up getting fines, stadium bans and points docked. I know there’s “a lot more in life to worry about” but you could say that about literally anything football related. I don’t think the FA are going to come after Villa for failing to come up with a cure for the coronavirus for example so probably not the thing to “worry about” on a Villa forum... Points docked for something that happened in the Carabao Cup? I'd say that's unlikely. I don't think anything major will come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 If they give us a reduced allocation for the final then that will make people think twice next time. It looks great but on balance it is probably not a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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