Dodgyknees Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Do bubbles still exist? Yep, it you look carefully you can see them coming from the mouth of Boris, poor bloke swallowed the Fairy Washing up Liquid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Mad to think that they let fans back into stadiums in London only 3/4 weeks ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Mad to think that they let fans back into stadiums in London only 3/4 weeks ago. The Emirates? Are you sure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Literally yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Mad to think that they let fans back into stadiums in London only 3/4 weeks ago. Keeping London in Tier 2 was just as baffling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, bickster said: Without being flippant, how does he achieve that? We're still just over an hour after Johnson finished speaking I still don't see how he achieves it today, when Johnson did today what Starmer called for yesterday. I don't see what his avenue of attack is without "But he did what you demanded him to" being thrown right back at him I can see that it’s best not to take the opportunity to repeat your case, which has been shown to be better than the government’s strategy, live, to an audience of millions, as it might not be seen as playing the team game. Mine is a clunking old fashioned world where the opposition do some opposing at opportune moments, like live on prime time. Not self limit to Sunday, on Andrew Marr to an audience sometimes well in to double figures. Too cosy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: Starmer made a rod for his own back in that he didn't back the calls last week, or even yesterday with any conviction, for schools to not reopen. Had he have done so he could now be sticking the boot into Johnson and the DFE as to why parents have been left with12 hours notice that their child's school will be shut tomorrow and the knock on effects of that. It is a shambles that a decision that could/should have been made 2 weeks ago has been made after the horse has already bolted. Just as shambolic that the leader of the opposition didn't feel he could call the government out on it as he failed to push for them to be closed when he should have. Another open goal missed and the country is again let down by the government and, to a lesser extent, the opposition. I complete agree with you, and couldn't have put it better myself. The one thing I would say is on the bolded, you're right he could have done that, but I don't think he ever would have, he's too timid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 4, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: I can see that it’s best not to take the opportunity to repeat your case, which has been shown to be better than the government’s strategy, live, to an audience of millions, as it might not be seen as playing the team game. Mine is a clunking old fashioned world where the opposition do some opposing at opportune moments, like live on prime time. Not self limit to Sunday, on Andrew Marr to an audience sometimes well in to double figures. Too cosy. Chris, I'm being serious, how does he do that today? It's almost impossible I'd say to drown out the announcement of a National Lockdown, absolutely anything he said would just get lost. I just don't get how its possible as well as not getting what he'd say People's attention will be on what they can and cannot do and anything he says will be lost. He said we needed to lockdown yesterday, that is far more valuable than anything he can say today Once todays dust has settled he should obviously go at him again but today... it's just a bit pointless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 4, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I complete agree with you, and couldn't have put it better myself. The one thing I would say is on the bolded, you're right he could have done that, but I don't think he ever would have, he's too timid. Yes, had he done that, that is the line that could have taken today but that has been his error all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I can see that it’s best not to take the opportunity to repeat your case, which has been shown to be better than the government’s strategy, live, to an audience of millions, as it might not be seen as playing the team game. Mine is a clunking old fashioned world where the opposition do some opposing at opportune moments, like live on prime time. Not self limit to Sunday, on Andrew Marr to an audience sometimes well in to double figures. Too cosy. I couldn't agree more. If you can't state clearly what the government have done wrong, or what they should be doing better, live on prime-time TV to the largest audience you will have until the leader's debate in 2024 then what the **** are you in politics for. If the argument is that he can't criticise the government for doing what he asked for (a day late and after causing many infections), then maybe instead he could start demanding answers to what financial support is going to be available to eg self-employed people who won't be able to work and businesses that will have to furlough staff or close. You know, the kind of stuff that lots of people in the primetime TV audience will be sweating over as a result of this announcement. It's really not like there's a lack of things to talk about. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Chris, I'm being serious, how does he do that today? It's almost impossible I'd say to drown out the announcement of a National Lockdown, absolutely anything he said would just get lost. I just don't get how its possible as well as not getting what he'd say People's attention will be on what they can and cannot do and anything he says will be lost. He said we needed to lockdown yesterday, that is far more valuable than anything he can say today Once todays dust has settled he should obviously go at him again but today... it's just a bit pointless Did you watch it on TV? He was live on air after the PM, he was given two opportunities to put his case. Unless you didn’t know that, I don’t understand your question of ‘how does he do it?’. You cannot presume that in a day or two, your review of today’s news will be relevant, newsworthy, it’ll be chip paper. Today live on air is the time to point out today’s faults in government policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 4, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, chrisp65 said: Unless you didn’t know that, I don’t understand your question of ‘how does he do it?’. Ah, didn't know that. I had no intention of watching Johnson and have no idea what Starmer said this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Ah, didn't know that. I had no intention of watching Johnson and have no idea what Starmer said this evening I watched it as I had an urgent need to know about universities. Johnson didn’t mention universities. Neither did Starmer. As Hanoi rightly says above, real people watched that with real questions needing to be addressed. Perhaps 80% of the electorate has quite rightly decided they are as bad as each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hard to argue with this regardless of where you are on the political spectrum. The government is incompetent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davkaus Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 That's great isn't it, we'll have pricks grassing on their neighbours for going out for two walks a day again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: That's great isn't it, we'll have pricks grassing on their neighbours for going out for two walks a day again. Undoubtedly we are a nation of snitches and curtain-twitchers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) And just a reminder, this has been a recurring issue for months. We first had kids learning from home in March. Why is there still no nationwide plan for this? Other than the grand offer of laptops across the country. that was quietly withdrawn. Get in. Make the headlines. Get out. Don't worry about the fallout. Boris's premiership in a nutshell. Edited January 4, 2021 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Get in. Make the headlines. Get out. Don't worry about the fallout. Boris's premiership in a nutshell. His personal life as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Literally yesterday. My 6 year old daughter asked me why she had to go to school today if she cant tomorrow. What’s the answer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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