bickster Posted July 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Genie said: As long as we stop people visiting Ibiza and keep going to America, Brazil and India instead we’ll be fine. All three of those countries are on the quarantine list just like Spain, so I'm not sure what point you're making. Full list of exempted countries Quote Austria Andorra Belgium Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France (overseas territories of France are listed separately, where included in the exemption) Germany.... and these were added today Quote Estonia Latvia Slovakia Slovenia St Vincent and the Grenadines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I stand corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The lad had football training tonight and I was picking up a chinese takeaway on the way home. Had 15 minutes to kill so popped into a shop to grab the boy a drink. It was uneventful, drink bought, drink drank, no problem. Now at 22:39 I’ve realised neither of us were wearing a mask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted July 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2020 Hong Kong warning of being overwhelmed again... European countries that handled the first wave fairly well ramping up restrictions again as cases bounce up again... I imagine we'll be doing nothing. Good time to invest in the coffin industry though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Certainly feels like wave 2 could be just over the horizon. A kick up was always inevitable with easing of restrictions, hopefully they plateau out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Covid19 infection =! Covid19 death Importance: Covid19 death >> covid19 infection Panic, panic, panic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Hopefully Spain get control back, asking for us to send shit loads of tourists over won’t help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: Covid19 infection =! Covid19 death Importance: Covid19 death >> covid19 infection Panic, panic, panic... You really should do a bit more research. Firstly in the short term Covid-19 infection, has the possibility of swamping hospital ICUs in a spike, its not just about the COVIS deaths its about others too Secondly there are many reports of longer term effects from COVID-19 infections. Lots of different effects that are much more long term than a 2 or 3 week illness, some may not be reversible You really do seem to have treated this more flipantly than it deserves, it really isn't just about deaths (which are under-reported worldwide anyway) and assuming everyone else fully recovers, they don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, bickster said: You really should do a bit more research. Firstly in the short term Covid-19 infection, has the possibility of swamping hospital ICUs in a spike, its not just about the COVIS deaths its about others too Secondly there are many reports of longer term effects from COVID-19 infections. Lots of different effects that are much more long term than a 2 or 3 week illness, some may not be reversible You really do seem to have treated this more flipantly than it deserves, it really isn't just about deaths (which are under-reported worldwide anyway) and assuming everyone else fully recovers, they don't It is very, very difficult to under-report deaths. It is very difficult to measure the infection rate. Longer term effects are not well constrained at the current time. Please compare to the flu, which will leave people feeling a little off for months afterwards for most moderate infections. That an infection like this has longer term effects is not surprising but not something to think all apocalyptic about. I would also point to the big buzz around Hashimoto syndrome in children a few weeks back, which turns out to have been a false alarm. The outbreaks now are much less serious than those that occurred earlier in Wuhan/N. Italy/NYC, with much lower ICU utilization as evidenced in Florida/California/Texas over here right now. Of course, it help that we have stopped placing sick people in old folks homes, but let's pretend that episode didn't happen. Can't have any politicos being held responsible can we. It is really about deaths. That is why we have gone into lockdowns globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, villakram said: It is very, very difficult to under-report deaths. We aren't talking about under reporting deaths we are talking about under-reporting deaths from a particular cause. It's easy, every country in the world appears to have been doing it. Thoughn China, Uk and USA appear to be in the medal positions with Brazil strongly contending 10 minutes ago, villakram said: It is very difficult to measure the infection rate. Agreed, but it's pretty much guaranteed to be vastly under-reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I’m a civil servant. We were planning for a second spike in January 2021 caused by Christmas and winter. That then moved to November. We’re now working on October. But the government seem determined to avoid a national lockdown even if that means imposing lockdowns in cities and not rural areas. We’ve been discussing what “easements” need to be abandoned and what restrictions need to be reimposed. But the big change from March 2020 is that we are working on geographic variances. I am finding this a bit scary. In one breath the government is gradually relaxing restrictions. But behind the scenes we’re all working on plans for a second spike that’s going to be worse than the first. I am a big believer in “Plan for the worst” but at the moment it feels like we are doing that because it’s the most likely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: I’m a civil servant. We were planning for a second spike in January 2021 Well when you've all made your minds up about when to release the second spike, maybe give us the nod, yeah? 'Cus we weren't ready last time - and maybe talk to the government, because they were even less ready...or maybe just do a trial run on them - 2 birds, one stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, blandy said: Well when you've all made your minds up about when to release the second spike, maybe give us the nod, yeah? 'Cus we weren't ready last time - and maybe talk to the government, because they were even less ready...or maybe just do a trial run on them - 2 birds, one stone. The government didn’t have a clue last time. It was utter chaos. A few weeks earlier Boris was shaking hands with COVID patients at a hospital. Anyone who thinks we’ve done a decent job reacting to COVID is deluded. It’s been a failure in so many levels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 The community nurses here are expecting it back with the flu season. 1 hour ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Anyone who thinks we’ve done a decent job reacting to COVID is deluded. It’s been a failure in so many levels. Tunnel vision! Cummings' mates are rolling in million$ of lovely public money, all heading towards tax havens. Brexit next! Yay Eton's taking back control. They'll sort Covid and Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 8 hours ago, bickster said: We aren't talking about under reporting deaths we are talking about under-reporting deaths from a particular cause. It's easy, every country in the world appears to have been doing it. Thoughn China, Uk and USA appear to be in the medal positions with Brazil strongly contending Agreed, but it's pretty much guaranteed to be vastly under-reported I think Russia are one of the biggest contenders for under reporting deaths. The way they report seems to be down to if there’s an underlying illness they can pin it on instead the death is reported as that and only when there is nothing else they can find does it become a COVID death. It’s pretty much the opposite of Belgium’s approach where every time a person dies who happens to have also had the virus they are recorded in their COVID death statistics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 30, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: I think Russia are one of the biggest contenders for under reporting deaths. The way they report seems to be down to if there’s an underlying illness they can pin it on instead the death is reported as that and only when there is nothing else they can find does it become a COVID death. It’s pretty much the opposite of Belgium’s approach where every time a person dies who happens to have also had the virus they are recorded in their COVID death statistics. Yep, , they should be in the list too, definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: I think Russia are one of the biggest contenders for under reporting deaths. The way they report seems to be down to if there’s an underlying illness they can pin it on instead the death is reported as that and only when there is nothing else they can find does it become a COVID death. It’s pretty much the opposite of Belgium’s approach where every time a person dies who happens to have also had the virus they are recorded in their COVID death statistics. Russia also apparently have a vaccine close to approval, but there’s a lot of scepticism about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, Genie said: Russia also apparently have a vaccine close to approval, but there’s a lot of scepticism about it. It'll be fine. If you already had a pair of hairy bollocks? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: Russia also apparently have a vaccine close to approval, but there’s a lot of scepticism about it. Pharmaceutical companies in every country reckon they are so close to a vaccine, they all just need another few hundred million from their governments to continue their work 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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