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2 minutes ago, theboyangel said:

Not surprised at all. 

The masses have begun to descend on us down in the South West too regardless of the weather being dreadful and very little open.

I had a small hope that society would learn from the lockdown and become more patient, understanding and community spirited however it appears we've become even more selfish with a grander sense of entitlement. 

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Yeah Devon and Cornwall is going to be mobbed in the next few weeks. Loads of my work colleagues are heading there in the next couple of days. 

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Funny you should say that. I'm in Torquay at the moment, been out in the town and went for a lovely meal and I'm not seeing the scenes you've posted at all. People are being sensible and spacing themselves as well as they can. Maybe later when they are pissed it'll change, but they mainly seem to be young (to be fair, I'm that old everyone else seems young). 

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On 02/07/2020 at 16:39, Follyfoot said:

There is an element of that definitely but also the kids want to go back to meet their friends play with their friends and generally get back to some kind of normality themselves, It has been a real problem for my two not being able to socialise as young teenagers as these are very formative years In their development from children into adults

I agree with this. We cant dismiss the physiological its having on kids. They need a sense of normality at some point too.

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11 hours ago, Xela said:

Pubs are open 

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Sigh what a shock. The pubs is whats going to make us go down to another american style lockdown.

I agree with salons and barbers openong but way too early for pubs.

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Getting their herd immunity in through the back door. 
 
Imagine gammon man Brian, gets Coronavirus now and still praises Boris and blames everybody else for it. 

the government are no longer accountable for their actions.

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I'm not surprised. I walked past my local boozer yesterday and the side/smoking area was heaving at 7.00 people play fighting, hugging etc. 

In respect of those Soho pictures there is no way the pubs are meeting their obligations.  There must be massive queues at bars to get that many people all drinking. No way they are only serving people sat at tables via waitress service.  Absolutely no way. 

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This could have gone in a number of threads:

Close friends are important – but research shows that building networks of casual acquaintances can boost happiness, knowledge and a sense of belonging.

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For nearly 10 years, I have spent my Monday evenings attending rehearsals for my amateur choir. Mondays are not my favourite day, and I often arrive in a bad mood, but by the end of the rehearsal, I usually feel energised. The singing does me good. So do the people. With a few exceptions, I wouldn’t describe my fellow choir members as close friends; most of them, I barely know at all. We exchange brief chats, smiles and the odd joke – but that’s enough for me to come away feeling a little better about the world.

There is no choir practice now, and won’t be for a long time. I miss it. In lockdown, I don’t feel short on affection or emotional support, but I do feel short of friendly faces and casual conversations. Another way of putting this is that I miss my weak ties.

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The coronavirus pandemic may have a direct impact on people’s weak ties and the benefits they reap from them. Companies that have been forced to change working practices by the crisis may end up making a permanent shift toward home-working and virtual workspaces. Although workers stand to benefit in many ways, including increased flexibility, one possible downside of this change is that it shrinks our social networks.

Physical offices enable not only formal face-to-face meetings, but they also function as spaces for chance encounters with our professional weak ties – people with whom we do not work closely but whose work has an impact on our own.

... we should continue to try and find ways to cultivate weak-tie relationships, in lockdown and beyond. Even under conditions of social distancing, our more distant friends are important to us. “We’re all curious to see how others are coping, what they’re doing, to help us figure out how to behave,” says Sandstrom.

Social media, she says, is a useful substitute for weak-tie conversations. We can use it to reach out to people we don’t know well for light but meaningful interactions. She adds that we can also engage in more weak-tie-style interactions with our strong ties, checking in to see how people are without engaging them in a full conversation. The goal, says Sandstrom, is to let others know you are thinking of them without asking for a great deal of time, energy or attention.

After this pandemic has passed we should take care to rebuild our networks of casual acquaintances. We can learn a lot from talking to people we barely know.

 

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With that all important Sunday / Monday reporting caveat, it’s zero deaths here today for the first time since it all began.

 

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Coronavirus: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive

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Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for coronavirus.

He took the test, his fourth, on Monday after developing symptoms, including a high temperature.

Mr Bolsonaro has repeatedly played down the risks posed by the virus, calling it "a little flu" and saying that he would not be seriously affected by it. 

He has also urged regional governors to ease lockdowns, which he says hurt the economy, and on Monday he watered down regulations on wearing face masks. 

Back in April, he said that even if he were to be infected with the virus, he would "not have to worry as I wouldn't feel anything, at most it would be like a little flue or a little cold".

When he made the remark, the number of Covid-19-related deaths was still under 3,000 and the number of infections was around 40,000.

More on link. I do wonder whether actions such as this exacerbated the risk for him...

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1 hour ago, cyrusr said:

Coronavirus: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive

More on link. I do wonder whether actions such as this exacerbated the risk for him...

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Hopefully he gets incredibly ill and it pushes him to take drastic action for the millions of people in Brazil. If he gets a very light dose it’ll fuel his speech about it being little to worry about.

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3 hours ago, Genie said:

Hopefully he gets incredibly ill and it pushes him to take drastic action for the millions of people in Brazil. If he gets a very light dose it’ll fuel his speech about it being little to worry about.

Unfortunately it’s much more likely (statistically) that he will have a relatively mild dose and then be able to come out the other side saying “see, I told you it was nothing to worry about”. 

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Wouldn't be a bad thing if he had a more than mild dose would it...that's about as tactful as I can be on the matter.

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There is a article in The Lancet about a Spanish study on herd immunity. It's not great in terms of cost of lives against result.

Long read and I've only read the synopsis. In short reaching heard immunity would put too much strain on the health care and cause too many deaths. We need a vaccine.

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35 883 households were selected from municipal rolls using two-stage random sampling stratified by province and municipality size, with all residents invited to participate. From April 27 to May 11, 2020, 61 075 participants (75·1% of all contacted individuals within selected households) answered a questionnaire on history of symptoms compatible with COVID-19 and risk factors, received a point-of-care antibody test, and, if agreed, donated a blood sample for additional testing with a chemiluminescent microparticle immunoassay. Prevalences of IgG antibodies were adjusted using sampling weights and post-stratification to allow for differences in non-response rates based on age group, sex, and census-tract income. Using results for both tests, we calculated a seroprevalence range maximising either specificity (positive for both tests) or sensitivity (positive for either test)...
 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

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1 hour ago, fightoffyour said:

Wouldn't be a bad thing if he had a more than mild dose would it...that's about as tactful as I can be on the matter.

I hope he chokes on his own lungs after violently coughing them out of his body too. 

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HCQ does actually work. Here demonstrating a ~50% reducing in mortality when administered within ~24hr of hospital admission.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/07/03/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-patients-treatment/5368661002/

"The Henry Ford study examined outcomes of 2,541 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between March 10 and May 2 across the Michigan system’s six hospitals. Overall, 18% of the patients died in the hospital. But there were marked differences in their treatment. Among those who received hydroxychloroquine as part of early treatment, 13% died, compared with 26% of those who did not receive the drug."

Orders of magnitude cheaper than Remdesivir too. Make of that what you will.

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Isn't that largely repeating what the evidence already suggested? That hydroxychloroquine is useful but only if used very early in infection and combined with other drugs. Most of the concern about the drug has been about people taking it for preventative purposes or self-prescribing.

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