bannedfromHandV Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: How open is open? I think restaurants will open with restrictions on attendance - number of people in a party, spacing between tables, that sort of thing - I think pubs will have restrictions on the number of people they let in, and I think there will be a staggering of openings with different types of business opening in different ways. I can't see there just being a day where a green light goes on and the nation piles into the pub for a jolly up - I just don't see it happening that way. No of course not, it’ll be a phased approach I’m sure. But there will come a point (and it’ll differ slightly for every person) where you feel that things are back to normal, being able to book a table in a restaurant is normal, being able to go to the pub on a nice summers day is normal, being able to go to a shopping mall is normal and we will reach all those points, whether all simultaneously or not is another question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Fair enough, it wasn't a trick question! Some people clearly will be happy to take the risk. The reasons why I don't think the numbers will be large enough to be viable are two-fold: firstly, pubs and restaurants may be allowed to open, but there may still be onerous capacity restrictions or other rules to maintain social distancing (tables two metres apart, reducing seating, stand on the X's on the floor, you must wear a mask, things like that). Secondly, numbers were way down before restaurants officially closed, as shown in OpenTable bookings (mostly American cities, but data from London is included): (from: https://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21228651/opening-up-save-economy-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-shutdown) The table shows the proportion of restaurant bookings on a day in 2020 compared to in 2019. Of course, when restaurants are closed by force of law, bookings are down 100%, but there were steep falls in bookings before those orders came into place. However, it is possible that people will act differently when coming out of a shutdown than when going into one. I’d say it’s a certainty, particularly with the weather having been so nice I think people have really missed just having the option to go to the pub etc. I think there will be a renewed interest, it’s simple psychology, take something away from someone (even if they don’t use it much) and they’ll want it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Awol said: The Tony Blair Institute of authoritarian socialism, on the wrong side of civil liberties since 1997. No mate you are mistaken, we need centrists like him if we're ever going to oppose the torys (repeat to end) etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Genie said: Restaurants could be fairly easy, reduced capacity, only precooked tables etc. Pubs that rely on walk in trade not so easy. Easy to design rules for restaurants, sure, but it doesn't sound easy for them to survive financially under those restrictions. Restaurants are famously low-margin, high-overhead businesses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Am I being a cynical sod here, but why are we taking masks from children in Vietnam, who apparently bought them using their own money, and not taking up multiple offers from businesses all around the UK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Awol said: Failure to comply with social clapping. Scandalous. That’s not actually showing anyone being shamed on social media. it’s a woman writing on mumsnet claiming that she got shamed because she didn’t clap. Mumsnet is full of absolute total bollocks so I’d bet good money it’s not true. And why a supposedly reputable news outlet is writing articles on mumsnet posts is beyond me Edit: sorry this sounds a bit aggressive. Wasn’t meant as a dig at you, Awol Edited April 24, 2020 by Stevo985 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumstopdogs Posted April 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: Restaurants could be fairly easy, reduced capacity, only precooked tables etc. Pubs that rely on walk in trade not so easy. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: That’s not actually showing anyone being shamed on social media. it’s a woman writing on mumsnet claiming that she got shamed because she didn’t clap. Mumsnet is full of absolute total bollocks so I’d bet good money it’s not true. And why a supposedly reputable news outlet is writing articles on mumsnet posts is beyond me Edit: sorry this sounds a bit aggressive. Wasn’t meant as a dig at you, Awol Not commenting on the validity of the source, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was happening, considering the Poppy brigade we have in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 First trial for potential Covid-19 drug shows it has no effect Quote Remdesivir, a drug thought to be one of the best prospects for treating Covid-19, failed to have any effect in the first full trial, it has been revealed. The drug is in short supply globally because of the excitement it has generated. It is one of the drugs Donald Trump claimed was “promising”. In a “gold standard” trial of 237 patients, some of whom received remdesivir while others did not, the drug did not work. The trial was also stopped early because of side-effects. News of the failure was posted on a World Health Organization clinical trials database, but later removed. A WHO spokesman said it had been uploaded too soon by accident. “A draft document was provided by the authors to WHO and inadvertently posted on the website and taken down as soon as the mistake was noticed. The manuscript is undergoing peer review and we are waiting for a final version before WHO comments,” said Tarik Jasarevic, a WHO spokesperson. ....rest on link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Am I being a cynical sod here, but why are we taking masks from children in Vietnam, who apparently bought them using their own money, and not taking up multiple offers from businesses all around the UK? It’s all bloody made by kids in Vietnam anyway so might as well cut out the middle men 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 52 minutes ago, snowychap said: First trial for potential Covid-19 drug shows it has no effect well that's a bummer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, snowychap said: First trial for potential Covid-19 drug shows it has no effect Even so, less harmful than his musings on ingesting fish pond cleaner - or even jacking up with bleach. ”there was an old lady who swallowed a lie...” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 guardian report Interesting breaking news on the guardian. So warnings and advice were given just last year regarding a pandemic and it seems to have been ignored. In favour of Brexit and flooding prevention according to the whistle blower. No surprise they are leaking to the guardian. People may consider them too left wing but they seem to be trusted by whistle blowers of sensitive information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, DCJonah said: guardian report Interesting breaking news on the guardian. So warnings and advice were given just last year regarding a pandemic and it seems to have been ignored. In favour of Brexit and flooding prevention according to the whistle blower. No surprise they are leaking to the guardian. People may consider them too left wing but they seem to be trusted by whistle blowers of sensitive information. It’s not a secret. The threat posed by pandemic flu has been No.1 on the national risk register since 2010 - so that includes the Arab Spring, the entire life-cycle of ISIS, Russia’s chemical weapons attack within UK and and buckets of international nastiness. This is not a black swan event, more like a neon mammoth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, DCJonah said: guardian report Interesting breaking news on the guardian. So warnings and advice were given just last year regarding a pandemic and it seems to have been ignored. In favour of Brexit and flooding prevention according to the whistle blower. No surprise they are leaking to the guardian. People may consider them too left wing but they seem to be trusted by whistle blowers of sensitive information. Just read it. I think it boils down to priorities, Boris has winged it his whole life, perhaps thought it wouldn't happen on his watch and Brexit was the focus. He's unlucky. That said, I keep thinking the evidence couldn't be more damning, and then, it is. We need a serious leader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Well there's no need for the big plan on how to reduce the lockdown, it's happening right now! Traffic has been building up over the last couple of days outside my house on the main road, an to be fair, right now looks like close to normal at these hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Well there's no need for the big plan on how to reduce the lockdown, it's happening right now! Traffic has been building up over the last couple of days outside my house on the main road, an to be fair, right now looks like close to normal at these hours. I've been doing 4am to 6am this week, will see what it's like next week when I'm going out at 5pm. I've read that it's almost as busy as usual in Solihull town centre between 8 and 9am which is really odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Well there's no need for the big plan on how to reduce the lockdown, it's happening right now! Traffic has been building up over the last couple of days outside my house on the main road, an to be fair, right now looks like close to normal at these hours. Yeah, something has happened and there seems a lot more poepl out and about. There are definitely more folks on the buses that I take to and from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Villarocker said: Yeah, something has happened and there seems a lot more poepl out and about. There are definitely more folks on the buses that I take to and from work. People are getting bored and they think that because the numbers are going down that the job is done. Been saying this will happen for weeks. I acknowledge what people have said in this thread about police overstepping their powers and agree with it. But part of me wishes this lockdown was properly enforced. Road outside my flat, which is a main road, sounds almost as busy as usual today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Local park was very busy today. Saw a couple of picnics and one family kicking a ball about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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