Generic Virus Thread

[Rodders]

in terms of what the govt knew, I'd say the 2018 documentary on bbc4 is insightful. You have people saying that it is absolutely expected. I mean I know there's hindsight etc, but it simulates infection rates, looks at how quickly it can spread, how you try to stop it, and all that. It even mentions the big pressures on the NHS it would cause. Maybe you then blame Hunt more ( always fair of course ), but ally that level of knowledge along with the fact people have been lamenting investment for a decade, and it's perfectly possible to articulate, non-polemically that our baseline preparation should have been much higher. There would always be a pressure regardless, but public services under strain without massive investment will seriously struggle when numbers overwhelm it

(- as applicable to education and class sizes / teacher numbers, justice, prisons and numbers there in the cells or in the courts, etc. I know this could go in the other thread about political ramifications, but you need massive investment to prepare a system to cope. One imagines Corbyn will get panned for his interview despite being perfectly reasonable.  )

[DCJonah]

9 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

In fairness there is a lot of jumping on the NHS bandwagon now. Our government has been asleep on the job but no government could be completely prepared for something like this. I am more concerned with he fact the NHS runs at max capacity during normal times and has zero slack in the system.

It is amazing you couldn't get a like or a comment on FB about the NHS a few moths ago that was praising how well Drs and nurses do in difficult circumstances given how poorly run the NHS is and how it had been for years set up to fail, how nurses/Drs were over run due to government policy leading to a huge lack of nurses and Drs, how decimating social care had led to bed blocking in hospitals, how A and E waiting times were through the roof and cancer treatment times had gone up etc etc. Now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon and say what a great job they do and how they need rewarding and how we must value our NHS and other carers. A lot of people turned their noses up at people marching for our NHS last year but now we have even got people off their arses to go out clapping in the street, many whilst filming themselves of course.

Yep. I feeling a lot of anger and frustration at this at the moment. 

Not many have given a shit that nurses had to pay parking fees to go and save lives but now it's a disgrace. 

Not many cared about lack of resources and equipment. But now it's a disgrace. 

Yeah it was a feel good moment to see the clapping and cheering last night but it also pissed me off. **** go and clap for a minute but you couldn't be arsed to vote or apply pressure on government to respect and fund the NHS properly. 

And in 12 months time no one will care again. 

 

[Xann]

[pas5898]

11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

In fairness there is a lot of jumping on the NHS bandwagon now. Our government has been asleep on the job but no government could be completely prepared for something like this. I am more concerned with he fact the NHS runs at max capacity during normal times and has zero slack in the system.

It is amazing you couldn't get a like or a comment on FB about the NHS a few moths ago that was praising how well Drs and nurses do in difficult circumstances given how poorly run the NHS is and how it had been for years set up to fail, how nurses/Drs were over run due to government policy leading to a huge lack of nurses and Drs, how decimating social care had led to bed blocking in hospitals, how A and E waiting times were through the roof and cancer treatment times had gone up etc etc. Now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon and say what a great job they do and how they need rewarding and how we must value our NHS and other carers. A lot of people turned their noses up at people marching for our NHS last year but now we have even got people off their arses to go out clapping in the street, many whilst filming themselves of course.

Both sides of the political fence want a better NHS, they differ on how we get there. 

The argument of of Conservative cuts is counterbalanced heavily by extreme wastage under labour, including extortionate PFI contractors, AHPs and removing legislation on external agencies (ironically the beginning of privatisation on the front line). 

The save our NHS was turned into a Labour v Conservative charade. Therefore pushing the presumptuous notion that only Labour could save the NHS. That's the reason why many stayed away. 

 

[StefanAVFC]

1 minute ago, pas5898 said:

Both sides of the political fence want a better NHS, they differ on how we get there. 

The argument of of Conservative cuts is counterbalanced heavily by extreme wastage under labour, including extortionate PFI contractors, AHPs and removing legislation on external agencies (ironically the beginning of privatisation on the front line). 

The save our NHS was turned into a Labour v Conservative charade. Therefore pushing the presumptuous notion that only Labour could save the NHS. That's the reason why many stayed away. 

 

this way of thinking, and this argument would make sense if the Tories hadn't have been in power for 10 years. 

[Mic09]

1 minute ago, pas5898 said:

Both sides of the political fence want a better NHS

I will enjoy this

[Demitri_C]

God in cases like this moron, I hope she gets it

 

 

 

[snowychap]

6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

God in cases like this moron, I hope she gets it

Actually, I genuinely hope she doesn't because the amount of people she would transmit it to would be huge.

[Jareth]

On government bashing, the Lancet is a medical journal, serving medical professionals, if not them then who do we listen to? Whataboutery is all well and good but everything that bloke said was truthful and it was good to see someone intelligent and passionate put it to a minister - question time of old would have made it easier for the minister to deflect the attack. 

[StefanAVFC]

 

[sne]

Great news everyone! Just hope there are not reusable..

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Chlamydia sticks can solve the material deficiency in corona sampling, says the staff at Kronoberg / Blekinge clinical microbiology who has now tested using the sticks that are normally used for chlamydia tests.

- We had thousands in stock. They are not really intended for that purpose, but we did tests and it works well. This means that we have probably solved a great deal of concern, says Oskar Ekelund, operations manager of clinical microbiology in a press release.

He says that they have managed to buy large volumes of sampling sticks and thus will be able to survive for a long time to come. Currently, the sticks are not used in the other regions, but colleagues have shared and tipped others through national networks.

- We are in a position now that we have to think a little outside the box, because we compete with other countries for the same products, says Oskar Ekelund.

The discovery has resulted in clinical microbiology tripling the analysis capacity in one week. From 48 to about 150 analyzes per day.

- This means that we can not only test patients, but also healthcare personnel. It is a very important part so that staff with mild symptoms can go back and work, says Oskar Ekelund.

.https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/3Jgxj9/senaste-nytt-om-coronaviruset

[DCJonah]

24 minutes ago, pas5898 said:

Both sides of the political fence want a better NHS, they differ on how we get there. 

The argument of of Conservative cuts is counterbalanced heavily by extreme wastage under labour, including extortionate PFI contractors, AHPs and removing legislation on external agencies (ironically the beginning of privatisation on the front line). 

The save our NHS was turned into a Labour v Conservative charade. Therefore pushing the presumptuous notion that only Labour could save the NHS. That's the reason why many stayed away. 

 

So they've had a decade. Do you think they've done a tremendous job of having a strong NHS? 

[KenjiOgiwara]

19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

God in cases like this moron, I hope she gets it

 

 

 

Think her actions of licking a toilet seat MIGHT have caused a minor STD in her lips. WTH is that. 

[foreveryoung]

1 hour ago, Genie said:

Cheltenham was unforgivable tbh. 250,000 people at the end during the week, all rubbing shoulders. 

I'm sure this was our Valencia vs Atalanta. Should never have really gone ahead.

[Wainy316]

Leicester v Villa was the same week too.  That definitely shouldn’t have gone ahead, for both our health and our sanity.

[HanoiVillan]

3 hours ago, snowychap said:

Maybe, though I'm sure I also read that some companies (was it Halifax?) have withdrawn the vast majority of their mortgages such that they're offering max 60% LTV.

This may relate on this topic:

 

[imavillan]

Lads please share and remind your folks, neighbours, pals etc to be on their guard. 

another despicable scam doing the rounds via text

 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, Genie said:

If it’s illegal trade is it not already banned?

You make a very good point, and it's poorly-worded. However, I think the point buried in this is that 'wildlife farming' has been in somewhat of a legal grey area in China, with some dispute between whether endangered species were covered by the 'Wildlife Protection Law' (which is actually the law that allows the farming of wildlife). If anyone's interested in the background to the consumption of wildlife in China, this Vox video is quite useful:

 

[LakotaDakota]

2 hours ago, sne said:

More than 17.200 new cases yesterday in the US and all Trump can talk about is how much people are dying.... to get back to work.

If ever there was a time for thoughts and prayers.

at least they are getting some sort of idea of numbers rather than the complete guesswork over here. They have done more than half a million tests so far compared to our 100000 or so. If you are testing more people you are going to record more cases. the 11,658 number of cases in the uk is completely meaningless

[choffer]

Boris has got the ‘rona!