Davkaus Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 It's better to stay home and not infect your colleagues, customers, as well as anytime you come across during your commute, but with how inadequate ssp is, and how many people are struggling from one payday to the next, as well as the judgment if you call in sick because you've got the sniffles, I'm not surprised it happens. It does piss me off even more when I see it in comfortable, well paid office jobs though, when I know the person is just trying to play the hero. Another small problem that wfh should resolve for a lot of jobs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Of course it's true that employers don't like people being off work, but that's their problem and their lack of resilience. Very soon you'll be unemployed or top of the queue when redundancies are calculated. An awful lot of people only get statutory sick pay when they are off ill It really can't be expected that you stay off work until UK Labour laws change There's a whole world of differenc e between what you should do and what you have to do in the real world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: If you have an infectious illness, you shouldn't go to work. People don't want to hear it, but making other people ill is not something to be done lightly. Of course it's true that employers don't like people being off work, but that's their problem and their lack of resilience. In an ideal world, yes. However, i'm shocked at how many companies don't pay staff when they are off sick. Often it's a case of they have to go in to afford to be able to live. I'm lucky I can work from home, and if needed get full pay for 6 months if i'm off sick long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 It's obviously true that lots of employers are shit, but that's what should change. I don't see the point of throwing up our hands and saying well this is just how it is. The point is that how it is isn't good enough. And there are also plenty of employers who aren't shit about this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's obviously true that lots of employers are shit, but that's what should change. I don't see the point of throwing up our hands and saying well this is just how it is. The point is that how it is isn't good enough. And there are also plenty of employers who aren't shit about this too. The good doctor should be campaigning for better labour laws then so people can take the time off when they are sick. Anything else is putting the cart before the horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 My lad is also now positive but again minimal symptoms… fortunately both kids are in good spirits and haven’t lost their appetites or feeling down. we were supposed to be seeing Seann Walsh tonight (which has already been rescheduled twice due to Covid and originally a birthday gift to the wife) but even though we’re both negative on both LFT and PCRs we thought it was best not to go We’re having a take-away curry instead! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 GP’s won’t see anybody regardless of how ill you are so that’s a non-starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Xela said: In an ideal world, yes. However, i'm shocked at how many companies don't pay staff when they are off sick. Often it's a case of they have to go in to afford to be able to live. I'm lucky I can work from home, and if needed get full pay for 6 months if i'm off sick long term. My company wouldn't pay the shift I had to take off after my second jab as they only do statutory sick pay which kicks in after 4 days. They would pay if I had to self-isolate for 10 days, so it almost incentivised getting Covid rather than getting the jab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 hours ago, theboyangel said: My lad is also now positive but again minimal symptoms… fortunately both kids are in good spirits and haven’t lost their appetites or feeling down. we were supposed to be seeing Seann Walsh tonight (which has already been rescheduled twice due to Covid and originally a birthday gift to the wife) but even though we’re both negative on both LFT and PCRs we thought it was best not to go We’re having a take-away curry instead! On the plus side you escaped having to go and see the word removed that is Seann Walsh. Small mercies and all that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Ingram85 said: On the plus side you escaped having to go and see the word removed that is Seann Walsh. Small mercies and all that! I've never considered him a word removed, he's a good stand up comedian imo. Ok, he's a QPR fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 13:10, markavfc40 said: Yes it is crazy. My daughter and wife had it a few days before me and they didn't get it as bad and recovered quicker. Either that or being a man I just felt more sorry for myself A couple of our neighbours (both double jabbed) got it. She had loss of smell and taste, and basically a bad cold, for about a week. He had zero symptoms. I'd love to know what factors are involved in these different reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2021 Must be great if the Mrs loses her sense of taste. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I know more people with it now than at any other time. Luckily all of them are ok and its nothing more than an inconvenience for them and they are fine. Everyone is double jabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2021 10,000 more cases today than last Sunday. We've surely got to have another peak soon? The half term might come at just the right time to create a mini fire break. I'm sure a lot of this is being fuelled by schools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Slightly off topic but talking labour laws. Over here, you cannot take a sick day off without a doctor's note, but you can have 4 emergency 'no questions asked' days off annually. Parents can take a certain amount of sick days if their kids are ill, and the pay % for sick leave is as follows: Reasons for incapacity for work. Amount of sickness allowance and sick pay illness or accident (unconnected with work) 80% of wages illness or accident requiring hospitalisation 70% of wages (80% in the case of sickness allowance) work-related accident 100% of wages accident on the way to or from work 100% of wages occupational disease 100% of wages illness or accident during pregnancy 100% of wages situation connected with being an organ donor 100% of wages The government agency (ZUS) who manage sick leaves, also do random spot checks if you're on sick leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2021 20 hours ago, Xela said: I know more people with it now than at any other time. Luckily all of them are ok and its nothing more than an inconvenience for them and they are fine. Everyone is double jabbed. Conversely I know absolutely no-one who currently has it and it's been that way for a couple of months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 14 hours ago, sidcow said: 10,000 more cases today than last Sunday. We've surely got to have another peak soon? The half term might come at just the right time to create a mini fire break. I'm sure a lot of this is being fuelled by schools. There does seem to be an impending booster spike on the horizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Slightly off topic but talking labour laws. Over here, you cannot take a sick day off without a doctor's note, but you can have 4 emergency 'no questions asked' days off annually. Parents can take a certain amount of sick days if their kids are ill, and the pay % for sick leave is as follows: Reasons for incapacity for work. Amount of sickness allowance and sick pay illness or accident (unconnected with work) 80% of wages illness or accident requiring hospitalisation 70% of wages (80% in the case of sickness allowance) work-related accident 100% of wages accident on the way to or from work 100% of wages occupational disease 100% of wages illness or accident during pregnancy 100% of wages situation connected with being an organ donor 100% of wages The government agency (ZUS) who manage sick leaves, also do random spot checks if you're on sick leave Compared the the UK's flat rate of £96.35 per week; less than a third of the minimum wage. And you only get paid that if you're off for four or more days, less than that and you're shit out of luck and just don't get paid. How are people meant to survive and keep a roof over their heads taking days off for a cold? We may have a cultural problem, but we've been sat down that path by a woefully inadequate safety net. And yes, many employers will go over and above SSP, but typically not the kind of employers that make their staff feel like they can't take a day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Compared the the UK's flat rate of £96.35 per week; less than a third of the minimum wage. And you only get paid that if you're off for four or more days, less than that and you're shit out of luck and just don't get paid. How are people meant to survive and keep a roof over their heads taking days off for a cold? We may have a cultural problem, but we've been sat down that path by a woefully inadequate safety net. And yes, many employers will go over and above SSP, but typically not the kind of employers that make their staff feel like they can't take a day off. Is this actually carried out anywhere? Certainly isn't at my workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, bobzy said: Is this actually carried out anywhere? Certainly isn't at my workplace. Yes, very much so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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