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4 minutes ago, bickster said:

I see very little dancing and to be perfectly honest, not even that much drinking, people of all ages on the whole are noticeably more sober even coming from house parties

Also if you think people in pubs aren't walking around and talking to other people in pubs, you are very much wrong. RIght now I'm in and out of pubs all the time (about to go out now as it happens) delivering advertising materials (beer mats usually) and the regulars are all chatting to each other across different tables. This idea that people aren't socially mixing in the current pub environment is false imo

Sorry, I did mean to add that I don't know how it looks like there and I'm just hypothesising. You would know better from what you've seen!

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You can’t take an observation of one city and think the country will be like that. Here in London it’s a different story to Liverpool. Places have been fully booked with all tables occupied. Central London has bonkers busy. 

Covent Garden over to Carnaby and through to Soho have been probably the most packed I’ve ever seen them in the fifteen years I’ve lived here. I’d wager any money that this will very soon translate into venues being busy inside on weekends. I’ll be out next Wednesday and again on Saturday and I can’t wait to see places heaving inside again. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t commented about how they’re looking forward to getting back inside places and not being restricted to a pre-booked table. 

In terms of people speaking in bars and pubs, it’s been very heavenly monitored down here. You will soon get moved if you dare mingle with a table not in your own group. But then, that’s my observations from the places that I’ve been, I’m sure there are pubs out there with locals who are shouting across tables at each other. 

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1 hour ago, bickster said:

A lot of places in Liverpool have decided  in the last week or two to modify their hours downwards because of lack of trade. The closing early here is because no one is there to justify them opening later

There are plenty of tables free in pubs and clubs, I really don't see that walking to the bar and waiting to be served at the bar is what people are missing. Sure there's the chance conversation with a random that people may miss but again I also think that only applies to a percentage of people not all. Sure they'll also want to be dancing, some of them

Many places in Liverpool are open until 6am at weekends, it's been that way for many years, these places as I said are pushing their hours back because of a lack of business (Opening later, shutting some days, closing earlier)

Last Saturday for example, I was working for 7 hours from 7pm. I didn't get a single job into the city centre, not one. That is almost unprecedented. I did however pick up lots of people, many of them young, going to and from house parties. I also notice that many of the younger ones are the ones religiously wearing masks, whereas the tendency among older people is not to (I found this to be against my expectations)

You also have a group of people who have been of legal drinking age (or could pass for getting in normally) for up to 16 months who may never have experienced the crush at the bar etc. 

Bar prices have definitely gone up, they will not be coming down any time soon, that again will impact the industry

Add into that the furlough bubble will be ending in September and LOTS of people will suddenly find themselves unemployed

Life for the night time entertainment and hospitality industry will not be the same, regardless of opening up fully again

The world is different and will soon be different again, it will not go back to how it was, not for a long time. The Entertainment Industry will suffer heavily as a result

Fair enough, you make some good points.    

I've found the bars, pubs and restaurants around me are still busy, i've had to pre-book or queue outside in the more popular places. But generally it probably is a lot quieter outside of the popular hotspots. and of course capacity is massively reduced so it seems fuller than it actually is.

and yes the increase in price of food and drink is annoying (though understandable).

 

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1 hour ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

You can’t take an observation of one city and think the country will be like that. Here in London it’s a different story to Liverpool. Places have been fully booked with all tables occupied. Central London has bonkers busy. 

Covent Garden over to Carnaby and through to Soho have been probably the most packed I’ve ever seen them in the fifteen years I’ve lived here. I’d wager any money that this will very soon translate into venues being busy inside on weekends. I’ll be out next Wednesday and again on Saturday and I can’t wait to see places heaving inside again. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t commented about how they’re looking forward to getting back inside places and not being restricted to a pre-booked table. 

In terms of people speaking in bars and pubs, it’s been very heavenly monitored down here. You will soon get moved if you dare mingle with a table not in your own group. But then, that’s my observations from the places that I’ve been, I’m sure there are pubs out there with locals who are shouting across tables at each other. 

Yep, a couple of times in B'ham City Centre we tried to chat and mingle across tables with the rest of our group and immediately got told we would get kicked out if we continued to break covid rules.

I'm also going for a meal on Thursday and had to pre-book or no chance of a table. 

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10 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

Have you been fully vaccinated? I have and I got to be honest my attitude is the opposite I can't wait to get back and have pretty much no reservations. Same goes for going in a crowded pub or going to a gig. If as seems the case for the sake of others in these situations I should be wearing a mask then I definitely will. 

My attitude is that if vaccinations can't get us out of this and back to normality then nothing will. My mindset is therefore I have been vaccinated there is nothing more I can do so get me back down the match/to the gig etc. 

I’m very much the same. I’ve been able to get into a couple of games at roughly 50 per cent capacity crowds (subject to negative test) and it’s been great. I’m totally done being worried on a personal level. 

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14 hours ago, Genie said:

I have a feeling nightclub owners are going to be complaining in a few weeks time that not enough people are going and they are going bust.

 

There are about 3m 18-19 year old never been clubbing before, my son falls into this category.  Him and his mates sound like they're never coming home. 

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I've taken both my kids out of school now (just for the rest of term "sick" not forever").  The secondary school is a ghost town with my eldest having been one of the remaining 13 from a class of 30 that was not having to isolate. I'm surprised they haven't just shut the school down yet, we have at least 4 locally that have done just that in similar circumstances. Cases locally are rocketing upwards and seem to be driven out of the school age population so I'm not just going to sit around and let my kids catch Covid.  I'm gutted to have to do this, but I don't feel I have much choice.  It seems that the government position is to deliberately let all school age people catch Covid and deal with whatever the long term consequences may be at the same time they pass a bill enabling the moving the NHS further into private hands making it more likely that we move towards an American style of healthcare.

An entire generation with a pre-existing condition and needing healthcare insurance would be a nightmare, but it is where we are headed.

Can you imagine filling in the form for insurance and having to tick the box asking if you have ever had Covid?

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My lad is finishing his 10 day isolation due to a case in his year group and my daughter is off since Tuesday due to what looks like a cold.

The Covid tests keep coming back negative but I don’t completely trust them. We’ve kept her off as a precaution and to protect others, just in case. 
Out of their school (reception, year 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6) only 1,2 and 4 are in currently.

They’re supposed to finish next Wednesday for the summer but who knows.

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Few points from reading the last few pages:

1. You can't go on individual daily figures. They're 'catchup' figures so just extras to add on to the scattering of previous days therefore will always be low on Mondays, after bank holidays, reporting lulls, etc. You have to look at the historic stats by date of case/death https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases click on data. You'll see the cases aren't going up very fast and the rate of increase looks to be slowing, assumedly as the virus finds fewer transmissible hosts. Deaths are just a flat line, they aren't increasing. With the greatest of respect to those who have died of COVID, the numbers of deaths right now (and for the foreseeable due to the vaccine effect) is negligible. Those people will either be unvaccinated slipped through the net very old and frail or end of life patients who contract it and die 'with it' rather than 'of it'.

2. Bromsgrove is dead compared to before the pandemic. I expected people to flock back out and it's just not happening. People aren't going out any more. They might once all restrictions with masks and table service etc have been lifted.

3. Just had jab 2 of AZ. Arm starting to ache slightly. This time I won't go out drinking tonight so any side effects will be from the vaccine rather than a hangover.

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With both my Pfizer jabs I had a little bit of soreness on my arm for about 36 hours then it cleared. No temperature, sickness, aches or tiredness. 

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I'm hearing of cases left right and centre right now.  All youngsters. 

2 years of kids school now home schooling again. 

It's absolutely tearing through the kids. 

My daughters best friend went to Euro's and has it. My daughter has seen her and is now shitting it that she'll come down with it too and miss her prom. 

Incidentally nearly all the cases I've heard of recently have been identified via Lateral Flow Tests.  Anyone who says they are a waste of time are having a laugh.  Christ knows how many new infections have been prevented due to them. 

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Let's play a round of 'guess which country didn't make the green list': (sauce)

EU/EEA  Cases Deaths 14-day case notification rate per 100 000 inhabitants 14-day death notification rate per 1 000 000 inhabitants Reporting period YYYY-WW
France 5786203 111190 42.92 6.28 2021-25 and 2021-26
Italy 4263317 127649 17.34 6.35 2021-25 and 2021-26
Spain 3866475 80934 215.12 5.18 2021-25 and 2021-26
Germany 3731124 91031 10.58 7.65 2021-25 and 2021-26
Poland 2880308 75085 3.87 6.74 2021-25 and 2021-26
Netherlands 1688448 17735 63.58 1.72 2021-25 and 2021-26
Czechia 1668040 30311 18.31 2.90 2021-25 and 2021-26
Sweden 1091284 14595 38.26 0.58 2021-25 and 2021-26
Belgium 1088534 25192 55.03 4.34 2021-25 and 2021-26
Romania 1080979 33973 3.61 81.85 2021-25 and 2021-26
Portugal 890571 17117 240.53 4.76 2021-25 and 2021-26
Hungary 808262 29996 6.47 3.79 2021-25 and 2021-26
Slovakia 778562 12513 13.28 3.11 2021-25 and 2021-26
Austria 646618 10492 15.80 8.43 2021-25 and 2021-26
Greece 425964 12737 71.11 17.63 2021-25 and 2021-26
Bulgaria 422053 18084 14.69 13.52 2021-25 and 2021-26
Croatia 360246 8219 26.17 9.12 2021-25 and 2021-26
Denmark 295654 2537 66.17 1.03 2021-25 and 2021-26
Lithuania 278950 4395 17.32 8.59 2021-25 and 2021-26
Ireland 274306 5000 109.16 11.88 2021-25 and 2021-26
Slovenia 257477 4752 19.61 5.25 2021-25 and 2021-26
Latvia 137631 2528 43.04 16.77 2021-25 and 2021-26
Norway 131945 794 48.68 0.75 2021-25 and 2021-26
Estonia 131207 1270 29.27 1.50 2021-25 and 2021-26
Finland 96463 974 38.53 0.36 2021-25 and 2021-26
Cyprus 78022 379 493.13 5.63 2021-25 and 2021-26
Luxembourg 71031 818 82.25 0.00 2021-25 and 2021-26
Malta 30664 420 14.38 0.00 2021-25 and 2021-26
Iceland 6664 30 9.34 0.00 2021-25 and 2021-26
Liechtenstein 3047 59 49.04 0.00 2021-25 and 2021-26
Total 33270049 740809      
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33 minutes ago, Genie said:

With both my Pfizer jabs I had a little bit of soreness on my arm for about 36 hours then it cleared. No temperature, sickness, aches or tiredness. 

Hoping the same for me... got my second Pfizer in a couple weeks.

Watching the news last night (I know, I know), they did a report in a Preston hospital where they were seeing a big rise in admissions of younger people, who you'll never guess, refuse to have the vaccine. 🙄

 

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4 minutes ago, MCU said:

big rise in admissions of younger people, who you'll never guess, refuse to have the vaccine. 🙄

Wonder what the reasons are for refusing to have it ?

I don't know what to think of these people,  it is their right to not have it but that means life is more dangerous for Nurses / Doctors + everyone else.

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52 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

 

Wonder what the reasons are for refusing to have it ?

I don't know what to think of these people,  it is their right to not have it but that means life is more dangerous for Nurses / Doctors + everyone else.

There seems to be a new generation of younger people who think they're no-nonsense, anti-woke, 'you can't say that any more', dismissive of popular opinion even when presented with plenty of evidence, preferring to go down conspiracy holes because they have a superior value of their own intellect despite being utterly stupid. They seem to be the same closed minded type of people who in older generations are Tory voters, nationalistic and a bit casually racist but being younger have been shaped around alternative thought and conspiricism by social media.

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There was a 28 Yr old on the news last night who was on oxygen in hospital. He said he thought Coronavirus was a foreign problem and not a big deal here and that he thought he would be fine if he got it anyway as he was young. 

He did sound pretty stupid though.

One thing he said was that he didn't know anyone who had got it.  As it rips through the young uns that will change so maybe more of them will go get done.  You would like to think for example most of his mates would hear what he's going through and go get jabbed. 

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1 hour ago, darrenm said:

There seems to be a new generation of younger people who think they're no-nonsense, anti-woke, 'you can't say that any more', dismissive of popular opinion even when presented with plenty of evidence, preferring to go down conspiracy holes because they have a superior value of their own intellect despite being utterly stupid. They seem to be the same closed minded type of people who in older generations are Tory voters, nationalistic and a bit casually racist but being younger have been shaped around alternative thought and conspiricism by social media.

My son is 18 and I get a flavour of that, he often slags off cancel culture.  I hope it's just a realisation that some of what goes on IS rather OTT and he sees that. 

He didn't hesitate to go get jabbed though.  My 16 Yr old daughter who is full on WOKE however has talked about not having it, she seems more down the conspiracy rabbit holes than the down with cancel culture son. 

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