snowychap Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Which one? I’ve seen dozens of posts about shops being rammed today. Apparently people had to queue to get out of ASDA. Kingsbury water park was turning people away as it was packed. 50+ people queuing outside the Range. Why do people care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Why do people care? Why do people care about other people not obeying the stay at home orders during a pandemic? Is that what you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Genie said: Why do people care about other people not obeying the stay at home orders during a pandemic? Is that what you meant? Why do people care about nonsense is what I meant. That you appear to care about these 'orders' rather underlines my point, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I am suggesting that both better communication, and in some cases better enforcement - less time shouting at people in parks, more time checking places where people are sharing rooms for hours - would have improved health outcomes. Less a question of fewer rules, more a question of them being better targeted and accompanied by more accurate information, so that in edge cases where something may not necessarily be against the rules, but may nevertheless be a bad idea, people can make a more informed decision. I don’t think we’re disagreeing, better communication is always a good thing. But replacing rules on social mixing with communication and common sense will only go 1 way. Across the entire world you can see that people will operate up to, and beyond whatever the rules are. Take away the rules and it’ll be free for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, snowychap said: Why do people care about nonsense is what I meant. That you appear to care about these 'orders' rather underlines my point, yes. What nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Genie said: What nonsense? The nonsense you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted February 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, snowychap said: The nonsense you posted. Ah alright mate, thanks for the quality input (again). 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Ah alright mate, thanks for the quality input (again). Erm, sorry. I don't think it's, er, my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Genie said: Which one? Bristol. Getting wallpapering stuff, ironically (given your initial post). Edited February 27, 2021 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 10 hours ago, sidcow said: I guess teachers tend to stand, fairly distant at the front of the class for most of the time. No. Not that I’m too worried, personally, but this isn’t correct. Not in a Norwegian classroom, anyway, but I would hope it isn’t the case in an English one either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Germany and France 'WILL give AstraZeneca jab to over-65s' in major U-turn aimed at speeding up shambolic vaccine drive Quote Germany and France look set to approve the AstraZeneca Covid jab for the over 65s in a major U-turn aimed at speeding up their stuttering vaccine drives. In an ignominious climb-down, health chiefs in both countries have now suggested they could update their policies for the Oxford University researched jab - after initially refusing to give it to those over 65 Officials in Germany previously raised doubts about the vaccine's effectiveness amid reports - rubbished by AstraZeneca - that the vaccine was just 8 per cent effective at protecting those in older age groups. France's Emmanuel Macron even went as far as to claim the jab was 'quasi-ineffective' at protecting the elderly. But with new data showing the AstraZeneca jab is effective in protecting the elderly, and with vaccine rollouts in France and Germany lagging behind Britain's, both countries now look set to U-turn. Link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Genie said: Germany and France 'WILL give AstraZeneca jab to over-65s' in major U-turn aimed at speeding up shambolic vaccine drive Link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Genie said: Germany and France 'WILL give AstraZeneca jab to over-65s' in major U-turn aimed at speeding up shambolic vaccine drive Link Problem is they've blown it now as lot's of their population will refuse to take it because of the scaremongering THEY started. They've apparently got millions of doses in storage because young people won't take it, so persuading the over 65's is going to be more difficult. I wonder how many people will have died over this nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 My parents in the mid to upper 70s and both live in france can’t get a jab for love nor money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seat68 said: My parents in the mid to upper 70s and both live in france can’t get a jab for love nor money. My parents both in rural France, early 60’s, not had theirs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 This was entirely predictable when Macron and Merkle went public with their poorly backed opinions Quote A senior German immunologist has urged his country to change its mind and start allowing over-65s to receive the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. In a BBC interview, Carsten Watzl, head of the German Society for Immunology, predicted regulators would have to reverse their decision to not recommend the jab for older people. He urged Angela Merkel to have the vaccine live on TV to prove it is safe. Germany's vaccine commission is currently reviewing its recommendation. Prof Watzl's call comes after recent studies in Scotland showed the AstraZeneca jab to be effective among the elderly. Germany is one of several EU states that have expressed doubts over the efficacy of the vaccine in older people. The country is currently struggling to avoid a third wave of infections as cases remain stubbornly high. Covid jab impact on serious illness 'spectacular' France restricts AstraZeneca vaccine to under-65s High Covid rates delay France and Germany easing The EU's medical regulator approved the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for all age groups in January. But the rollout was met by some public scepticism after regulators in countries including France, Germany and Italy recommended that it should not be used for people over 65. They citied insufficient data on its efficacy for older people. German health authorities have so far used fewer than 300,000 of the 1.17 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine the country has received. In January, French President Emmanuel Macron said the jab was "quasi-ineffective" for older age groups - a claim strongly refuted by the UK government and British medical regulators. AstraZeneca itself says the vaccine is effective at all ages. It’s a political mess, how do they convince the public it’s actually safe and they made a mistake? BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Genie said: This was entirely predictable when Macron and Merkle went public with their poorly backed opinions It’s a political mess, how do they convince the public it’s actually safe and they made a mistake? BBC As you say, the authorities in France, Germany and Belgium effectively ran a disinformation campaign against the AstraZeneca vaccine to try and cover for the failure of the EU procurement strategy. They can’t expect a reverse ferret now to be believed. What might change minds is the spread of the Kent variant that did so much damage over here. It’s already present in three large clusters in France and we saw how quickly it spread out from the South East across the rest of UK, even during a lock down. I hope that doesn’t happen in Europe, but it might rapidly change opinions towards getting vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted March 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2021 Can’t wait to see the JVT version of this public health announcement: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Is that a crowd? I remember those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Boris forgot to add an asterisk to his reopening plan that if a new variant comes along that the vaccine is ineffective against we go back to the start, do not collect £200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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