bannedfromHandV Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Introducing vaccine passports is dumb for all the reasons already discussed but also because it will open up a black-market for trading, which is a problem because it’s another avenue of illegal money earning but also it means there’ll be a bunch of people using fake passports and possibly continuing to spread the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 23, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2021 It's important to discriminate ( ) correctly. Vaccine passports [Travel authorisation Documents, or stamps or whatever] seem to me highly likely, if not certain, to be necessary to permit international travel. Nations will use these to allow or disallow visitors to their shores and borders - "we need to see proof of vaccine and neg test before you can come in (or even get on the transport - plane/ship/train etc.)". They're (IMO) the opposite of dumb - they're a smart way to allow countries to open up their tourist and hospitality etc industries. Vaccine certificates, or "passes" for use within a nation are a different matter. I suspect that they will come in to an extent, because some businesses may demand some sort of evidence of status before they let people into their venue or premises or whatever. It may (as people have said) create resentment or pushback, but I think they'll happen on a local or business level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, blandy said: It's important to discriminate ( ) correctly. Vaccine passports [Travel authorisation Documents, or stamps or whatever] seem to me highly likely, if not certain, to be necessary to permit international travel. Nations will use these to allow or disallow visitors to their shores and borders - "we need to see proof of vaccine and neg test before you can come in (or even get on the transport - plane/ship/train etc.)". They're (IMO) the opposite of dumb - they're a smart way to allow countries to open up their tourist and hospitality etc industries. Vaccine certificates, or "passes" for use within a nation are a different matter. I suspect that they will come in to an extent, because some businesses may demand some sort of evidence of status before they let people into their venue or premises or whatever. It may (as people have said) create resentment or pushback, but I think they'll happen on a local or business level. I think the frustration comes from restricting people based on something totally out of their control. If the requirement also allows for proof of a negative test, I'll be less pissed off by it. The tweet I posted on the previous page sums up my thoughts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fightoffyour Posted February 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Chindie said: Just been offered the jab for Friday. Oh we’re not trying to eradicate Fridays as well are we? I love Fridays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Oh we’re not trying to eradicate Fridays as well are we? I love Fridays. We have to defeat Thursdays first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I’m pretty sure yesterday Boris talked about passport / certification as something being discussed (ie not agreed) for foreign travel and also said it would be alongside rapid testing. He even mentioned the discriminatory aspect to the passports/certificates when he mentioned rapid tests as part of the solution to that. Its sounds fairly sensible to me. If you want to go in and out of the country you can, as long as you’ve either had the vaccine or hold a negative test. I’m sure this is what we’ll want from foreigners wanting to come here later in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2021 The number of daily vaccinations seem to have really dropped off. I wonder if they are now hoarding for second jabs or if there is a supply problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Quote California’s coronavirus strain looks increasingly dangerous: ‘The devil is already here’ Quote A coronavirus variant that probably emerged in May and surged to become the dominant strain in California not only spreads more readily than its predecessors but also evades antibodies generated by COVID-19 vaccines or prior infection and is associated with severe illness and death, researchers said. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-02-23/california-homegrown-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-transmissible-and-dangerous Obviously people arriving from San Fran into the UK can pretty much stroll straight out of the airport. They just need to fill out a form and promise they’ll go straight to the place they’re staying to quarantine. Edited February 24, 2021 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted February 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ferguson1 said: Don't wake up with a set of tits on you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: Don't wake up with a set of tits on you! Depends whose they are really. Edited February 24, 2021 by LondonLax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, LondonLax said: Depends who's they are really. Damn, beat me to it by a split second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-02-23/california-homegrown-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-transmissible-and-dangerous Obviously people arriving from San Fran into the UK can pretty much stroll straight out of the airport. They just need to fill out a form and promise they’ll go straight to the place they’re staying to quarantine. That article seems like alarmist nonsense, and the language choices ('the devil is already here', really???) are the opposite of appropriate public health messaging. Basic common sense suggests that if California's variant 'emerged in May' then it hasn't taken 'market share' from other variants, otherwise it would be the dominant strain nationwide if not globally given how long ago that was. As far as I can see, admittedly without expert knowledge, California's death rate is rapidly declining and this does not seem a concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted February 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Sounds like full stadia is going to happen. Mid August is going to be special at VP. I hope they don't open the stadium for a % of fans for the last game. Full or bust. Edited February 24, 2021 by villarule123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Sounds like full stadia is going to happen. Mid August is going to be special at VP. I hope they don't open the stadium for a % of fans for the last game. Full or bust. If they miss it they should set up a really sexy summer friendly with a really top European side. We’ll probably lose but still be fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Drop off in vaccinations is due to supply fluctuations according to Vanny Tammy. The cynic in me thinks we've given up some for Europe to ease the political bomb. He's said manufacturing vaccines is basically the same as brewing beer Edited February 24, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Mate of mine had his yesterday as his little girl is very sick in Birmingham Children’s Hospital. It’s really good that they are doing parents of sick children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Genie said: Mate of mine had his yesterday as his little girl is very sick in Birmingham Children’s Hospital. It’s really good that they are doing parents of sick children. Apparently one of my clients has been bumped up because of her husbands medical conditions. It seems there is some flexibility/common sense in the system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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