sidcow Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 hours ago, sne said: Meanwhile Trump is cutting funds for the WHO and has gone full on A Flock of Seagulls with his hair. Wishing (I had a photograph of him) with his hair like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I walked the dog around the block last night about 7:30, I was surprised at just how many cars there were zipping about. Seemed like a lot more than I'd seen recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Jareth said: Government have been promising 100,000 tests per day by end of the month. Remember this figure in 3 weeks time, it won't even be a quarter of that. It's all about language. They never promised that. They said that was the target. That said he was just stupid to say that. When will politicians learn? They are under pressure to deliver something so instead of just saying they are investing in it and will ramp it up they go and throw out some stupid unrealistic figure which they can never deliver on. Do they not realise that they will end up in twice as much hot water for that? He can call it an aspirational target or whatever but they will be held to that figure however they describe it. They are just so dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's all about language. They never promised that. They said that was the target. That said he was just stupid to say that. When will politicians learn? They are under pressure to deliver something so instead of just saying they are investing in it and will ramp it up they go and throw out some stupid unrealistic figure which they can never deliver on. Do they not realise that they will end up in twice as much hot water for that? He can call it an aspirational target or whatever but they will be held to that figure however they describe it. They are just so dumb. It's a buzzword isn't it. 100,000 sounds way better than "we promise to achieve 91,350 because that's the realistic target". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's all about language. They never promised that. Oh for sure - that's what makes me think they are flailing, someone is not across the detail of what ministers are saying - Hancock is absolutely desperate to have something to promote to show how in control they are - same happened with the selling of the 3.5 million tests ready to be handed out by Amazon - sell sell sell, then oh balls we f*cked the dog again. They are quite a divided leadership team - whether it's scientists disagreeing with each other, ministers listening to the loudest scientist but not asking the right questions themselves, prepping for a flu pandemic and realising too late it's not flu, ministers feuding over who's going to take the blame - and of course an incapacitated PM as out of control as he ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mic09 said: It's a buzzword isn't it. 100,000 sounds way better than "we promise to achieve 91,350 because that's the realistic target". Yes, but 40,000 might have been a more sensible buzzword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 A labour councillor has been suspended after saying boris deserves the virus. What a disgusting vile human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I can’t post it on here but anyone on twitter should search for this text... “Police Chief of Uganda loosing his cool over people breaking curfew. #QuarantineAndChill” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: A labour councillor has been suspended after saying boris deserves the virus. What a disgusting vile human being. Boris? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Awol said: I can’t post it on here but anyone on twitter should search for this text... “Police Chief of Uganda loosing his cool over people breaking curfew. #QuarantineAndChill” He’s absolutely right, them mother **** are **** annoying! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Jareth said: Government have been promising 100,000 tests per day by end of the month. Remember this figure in 3 weeks time, it won't even be a quarter of that. 1 hour ago, sidcow said: It's all about language. They never promised that. They said that was the target. That said he was just stupid to say that. When will politicians learn? They are under pressure to deliver something so instead of just saying they are investing in it and will ramp it up they go and throw out some stupid unrealistic figure which they can never deliver on. Do they not realise that they will end up in twice as much hot water for that? He can call it an aspirational target or whatever but they will be held to that figure however they describe it. They are just so dumb. It was one of those classics to watch. Hancock was on a programme last week, either Newsnight or Question Time and was asked repeatedly about the 100,000 tests. Repeatedly he said ‘yes’ ‘absolutely’ ‘definitely’ he even used the word ‘guaranteed’ at one point. At which point I said to my missus, he just guaranteed something that is totally out of his control, that was silly. The following morning, Hancock ‘clarified’ that the 100,000 was a ‘goal’. They just can’t help themselves. Who knows, they might even achieve it, but doesn’t really matter, there will be no consequences if they don’t. So just say what you like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 15 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: Just a quick word of warning to anyone thinking of microwaving a turd. Don't. Really wish I had logged on earlier and seen this, my kitchen is a right state 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 We yesterday asked the US of A for 200 ventilators - and in Feb/March missed 8 meetings with the EU ventilator scheme to get in on a few thousand, as it would upset Brexiteers. Dogma over lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It was one of those classics to watch. Hancock was on a programme last week, either Newsnight or Question Time and was asked repeatedly about the 100,000 tests. Repeatedly he said ‘yes’ ‘absolutely’ ‘definitely’ he even used the word ‘guaranteed’ at one point. At which point I said to my missus, he just guaranteed something that is totally out of his control, that was silly. The following morning, Hancock ‘clarified’ that the 100,000 was a ‘goal’. They just can’t help themselves. Who knows, they might even achieve it, but doesn’t really matter, there will be no consequences if they don’t. So just say what you like. This isn’t just politicians, this is everyone ive ever met in any business ever, apart from the “I can’t do that and everything is an effort” brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Thinking about the lockdown situation... the epidemic is clearly going to peak at different times across different regions of the country. The NHS is planning to build emergency care hospitals all over the place that realistically will take 4-6 weeks to deliver at best. Yet we’re being told the ‘peak’ is probably 7-10 days away. We also now know from research that the generic and definitely nothing to do with China virus spreads much more easily than previously expected by the scientists. So the question is are we likely to be in lockdown until the virus is finally stamped out across all of GB, (potentially a few months away) or does economic reality mean trying to open up the country one region at a time while imposing strict internal restrictions on travel? Could that even work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, andyjsg said: This isn’t just politicians, this is everyone ive ever met in any business ever, apart from the “I can’t do that and everything is an effort” brigade. The problem is, if they don’t put a number on it they’ll be ask 20 times a day how many more people they’re planning to test. More, lots more. How many though? Etc etc This is why they come up with numbers, it’s to shut the reporters up for a few weeks (until the inevitable why didn’t you meet your goal question). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Genie said: The problem is, if they don’t put a number on it they’ll be ask 20 times a day how many more people they’re planning to test. Or (directed at government and not a snarky reply to you) - they could be transparent about the statistics, the science and the plans they have put in place. They are concocting numbers, as has always been Johnson's team's forte - to cover incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Awol said: Thinking about the lockdown situation... the epidemic is clearly going to peak at different times across different regions of the country. The NHS is planning to build emergency care hospitals all over the place that realistically will take 4-6 weeks to deliver at best. Yet we’re being told the ‘peak’ is probably 7-10 days away. We also now know from research that the generic and definitely nothing to do with China virus spreads much more easily than previously expected by the scientists. So the question is are we likely to be in lockdown until the virus is finally stamped out across all of GB, (potentially a few months away) or does economic reality mean trying to open up the country one region at a time while imposing strict internal restrictions on travel? Could that even work? Peak of cases is 7-10 days away which means peak of deaths and ICU treatment is 21-30 days away, then add to that average ICU time is 10-14 days to either recover or pass away. After that it will take months and months to go away completely, if at all. I strongly believe that there will be a form of "mental" immunity. In other words life will go back to normal for the majority not at risk and it will be socially acceptable for 3, 400 people a day to die as long as life goes back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: Or (directed at government and not a snarky reply to you) - they could be transparent about the statistics, the science and the plans they have put in place. They are concocting numbers, as has always been Johnson's team's forte - to cover incompetence. But it’s not as easy as signing the 100k a day test cheque and it just happening . It’s a moving target, the tests have to be reliable, and sources whilst the entire world is competing and trying to do the same. They have said several times there are bottlenecks on the raw ingredients of the tests. They've also managed to put together 2 huge field hospitals in a matter of weeks, a feat that the Chinese were applauded for. They're doing their best in incredibly difficult circumstances. Whether they miss the 100k goal/target shouldn’t be a hang up or a stick to beat them with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Genie said: But it’s not as easy as signing the 100k a day test cheque and it just happening . It’s a moving target, the tests have to be reliable, and sources whilst the entire world is competing and trying to do the same. They have said several times there are bottlenecks on the raw ingredients of the tests. They've also managed to put together 2 huge field hospitals in a matter of weeks, a feat that the Chinese were applauded for. They're doing their best in incredibly difficult circumstances. Whether they miss the 100k goal/target shouldn’t be a hang up or a stick to beat them with. Do you find it odd that yes, we all know its a moving target, yes, we all know its a very dynamic situation and things and circumstances are changing daily. But always, on every subject, they always over promise, under deliver. If they were asked today how many days there are likely to be in next week, they would say 8. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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