Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, PaulC said: Ronaldo isn't even Brazil's best ever striker. Only one Pele! You cant really say that unless you watched Pele play weekly. his goals stats are a bit blinkered as about 80 percent of his goals were in regional leagues vs local pub teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 The disrespect in this thread to Jo is unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: You cant really say that unless you watched Pele play weekly. his goals stats are a bit blinkered as about 80 percent of his goals were in regional leagues vs local pub teams Not getting into that but Pele will always be regarded as the greatest Brazillian footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: Not getting into that but Pele will always be regarded as the greatest Brazillian footballer. maybe but his goals record is tainted by his opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Meanwhile Maradona just died. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Zatman said: maybe but his goals record is tainted by his opponents. Not really when you consider how tough the Brazil leagues were at that time. None of this going to play in europe then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: Not really when you consider how tough the Brazil leagues were at that time. None of this going to play in europe then. Nope Pele played a majority of his games in the Sao Paulo regional league which has 4 big teams and a lot of dud teams. Be like Villa entering a Birmingham regional league and Watkins popping in 40 goals a season Was not uncommon for 8 or 9 nil scorelines Edited November 25, 2020 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zatman said: Nope Pele played a majority of his games in the Sao Paulo regional league which has 4 big teams and a lot of dud teams. Be like Villa entering a Birmingham regional league and Watkins popping in 40 goals a season Was not and still not uncommon for 8 or 9 nil scorelines There were only regional leagues in those days in Brazil. Anyway hes still Brazil's leading every goal scorer and winner of three world cups. Guess he played a lot of friendlies too but think he also played in an intercontinental final against Benfica including Eusebio and he destroyed them. Edited November 25, 2020 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, PaulC said: There were only regional leagues in those days in Brazil. Anyway hes still Brazil's leading every goal scorer and winner of three world cups. Guess he played a lot of friendlies too but think he also played in a club world championship against Benfica including Eusebio and he destroyed them. that record will be beaten in 2 years or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: that record will be beaten in 2 years or so records are there to be broken but only because players play far more internationals these days. Wont make Neymar the greatest Brazil player ever though, nowhere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted November 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: The disrespect in this thread to Jo is unreal. linton? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 he looks like shrek, like......shreks brother. On the "best this / best that" argument, he has played what..... 80ish high level games? granted he has scored 53 ish goals in those games, but greatness is consistency, he needs to do this for the next 5-10 years to be classed among the greats. He has made a good start, looks like a great player, but he's literal miles off being debated in the same breath as the true greats. also, just being a great goal scorer wont get you in the "greatest ever" debates, the true greats are also great individual players, like Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff etc. for exapmle, Lewandowski is a "great goal scorer", but he will never be talked about alongside the "greats" because he isnt an individual great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I'd use Gerd Muller as a better example Won everything, more than any of those legends, got a tonne of goal records and yet he's never talked about in any best ever conversation The problem with this discussion though is why are people trying to compare the poor kid with the greatest footballers of all time!! You don't have to compare him at all... But if you do then compare him with what's around him currently, and at 20 years old he compares favourably to all of them apart from kane and lewandowski, that's some achievement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 goals and an assist so far tonight, him and Mbappe are really stepping up in the big games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 Still can't dribble. Not world class. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 hours ago, fightoffyour said: Still can't dribble. Not world class. Haha! There's so many sour grapes posts in this thread about Haaland being too young, a bad dribbler, a poacher etc. On that assist yesterday he nutmegged one guy, pushed two off and put in a perfect pass. I don't think people can discredit him anymore. That's what? 18 goals and 2 assists in 15 CL matches. "Only does it in farmer leagues!!". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 His dribbling style is very ugly, but it's really effective. If he's not world class then no strikers other than Lewandowski are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: His dribbling style is very ugly, but it's really effective. If he's not world class then no strikers other than Lewandowski are. In before "a World class striker would get into a World 11 playing as the lone striker". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 he’s one of the most efficient and ruthless footballers i’ve ever seen. less beautiful, more completely devestating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: His dribbling style is very ugly, but it's really effective. If he's not world class then no strikers other than Lewandowski are. Nobody seems to be able to agree what "world class" actually means. I've always taken it as a player who can be relied upon to be outstanding at the highest level (big 5 leagues, Champions League, World Cup/Euros/Copa America) and Haaland more than fits the bill there. Any club who has got realistic ambitions of winning the Premier League or the Champions League would be happy to have him as a striker. Beyond world class I guess the next favourite term is a generational talent, the guys that get remembered for being brilliant long after they've retired. Thierry Henry was a generational talent, Dennis Bergkamp was a generational talent, Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Michael Laudrup, Ruud Gullit, Kenny Dalglish (etc) were too. Haaland has potential to be in that bracket of players if he carries on. Beyond that you've got all time greats like Pele, Maradona, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and Jack Grealish. Haaland isn't there just yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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