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42 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Ronaldo isn't even Brazil's best ever striker. Only one Pele!

You cant really say that unless you watched Pele play weekly. his goals stats are a bit blinkered as about 80 percent of his goals were in regional leagues vs local pub teams

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19 minutes ago, Zatman said:

You cant really say that unless you watched Pele play weekly. his goals stats are a bit blinkered as about 80 percent of his goals were in regional leagues vs local pub teams

Not getting into that but Pele will always be regarded as the greatest Brazillian footballer. 

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4 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Not really when you consider how tough the Brazil leagues were at that time. None of this going to play in europe then. 

Nope Pele played a majority of his games in the Sao Paulo regional league which has 4 big teams and a lot of dud teams. Be like Villa entering a Birmingham regional league and Watkins popping in 40 goals a season

Was  not uncommon for 8 or 9 nil scorelines

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9 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Nope Pele played a majority of his games in the Sao Paulo regional league which has 4 big teams and a lot of dud teams. Be like Villa entering a Birmingham regional league and Watkins popping in 40 goals a season

Was not and still not uncommon for 8 or 9 nil scorelines

There were only regional leagues in those days in Brazil. Anyway hes still Brazil's leading every goal scorer and winner of three world cups. Guess he played a lot of friendlies too but think he also played in an intercontinental final against Benfica including Eusebio and he destroyed them. 

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1 minute ago, PaulC said:

There were only regional leagues in those days in Brazil. Anyway hes still Brazil's leading every goal scorer and winner of three world cups. Guess he played a lot of friendlies too but think he also played in a club world championship against Benfica including Eusebio and he destroyed them. 

that record will be beaten in 2 years or so 

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2 minutes ago, Zatman said:

that record will be beaten in 2 years or so 

records are there to be broken but only because players play far more internationals these days. Wont make Neymar the greatest Brazil player ever though, nowhere near. 

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he looks like shrek, like......shreks brother.

On the "best this / best that" argument, he has played what..... 80ish high level games?

granted he has scored 53 ish goals in those games, but greatness is consistency, he needs to do this for the next 5-10 years to be classed among the greats.

He has made a good start, looks like a great player, but he's literal miles off being debated in the same breath as the true greats.

also, just being a great goal scorer wont get you in the "greatest ever" debates, the true greats are also great individual players, like Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff etc.

for exapmle, Lewandowski is a "great goal scorer", but he will never be talked about alongside the "greats" because he isnt an individual great.

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I'd use Gerd Muller as a better example

Won everything, more than any of those legends, got a tonne of goal records and yet he's never talked about in any best ever conversation 

The problem with this discussion though is why are people trying to compare the poor kid with the greatest footballers of all time!! 

You don't have to compare him at all... But if you do then compare him with what's around him currently, and at 20 years old he compares favourably to all of them apart from kane and lewandowski, that's some achievement 

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13 hours ago, fightoffyour said:

Still can't dribble. Not world class.

 

 

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Haha! There's so many sour grapes posts in this thread about Haaland being too young, a bad dribbler, a poacher etc.

On that assist yesterday he nutmegged one guy, pushed two off and put in a perfect pass. I don't think people can discredit him anymore. That's what? 18 goals and 2 assists in 15 CL matches. "Only does it in farmer leagues!!".

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8 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said:

His dribbling style is very ugly, but it's really effective. If he's not world class then no strikers other than Lewandowski are.

In before "a World class striker would get into a World 11 playing as the lone striker". 😀

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2 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said:

His dribbling style is very ugly, but it's really effective. If he's not world class then no strikers other than Lewandowski are.

 

Nobody seems to be able to agree what "world class" actually means.   I've always taken it as a player who can be relied upon to be outstanding at the highest level (big 5 leagues, Champions League, World Cup/Euros/Copa America) and Haaland more than fits the bill there. Any club who has got realistic ambitions of winning the Premier League or the Champions League would be happy to have him as a striker.   Beyond world class I guess the next favourite term is a generational talent, the guys that get remembered for being brilliant long after they've retired.  Thierry Henry was a generational talent, Dennis Bergkamp was a generational talent, Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Michael Laudrup, Ruud Gullit, Kenny Dalglish (etc) were too. Haaland has potential to be in that bracket of players if he carries on. 

Beyond that you've got all time greats like Pele, Maradona, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and Jack Grealish.   Haaland isn't there just yet. 

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