OxfordVillan Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Changes might be needed in the management/coaching structure, not necessarily the manager. Given that our most appalling trait is the inability to stop goals/chances from set pieces, why aren’t we questioning John Terry’s suitability for the role? Perhaps we need to get in an experienced defensive coach to aid Dean Smith and the team? Because we repeat the same mistakes over and over again with our attempts at zonal marking, or our attempts to play out. We’re a defensive mess, and getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: He was good with brentford but how much of that was with the aid of frank? Franks doing a better job than smith did there. I think if you take the three you mentioned out of that team that just makes a group of talented championship players not a team. The whole spine is gone and that is going to be almighty difficult to replace. I think we need a host of players as i dont think jota trez drinkwater hause taylor elmo should be kept on next summer. Add that to the three you mention we need 8 players. For me its vital we keep heaton nakamba konsa targett samatta to build around if we go down. We'd have an enormous budget given how much we'd get for those players. I think we'd comfortably be able to replace them with players good enough for a Championship title push 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Is he though? Im not so sure about that. He had a squad of mings mcginn grealish and tammy (only mings signed by smith) After seeing the colossal mess smith has made of building this squad along with suso i have serious doubts about whether he can. If i saw abit of fight and passion on the pitch i may share this. But i dont. All i see is a man out of ideas and looking out of his depth. Sadly this is where I am at. I dont get what people are seeing from Dean that gives them any kind of positivity should we be relegated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, mykeyb said: Sadly this is where I am at. I dont get what people are seeing from Dean that gives them any kind of positivity should we be relegated. You and me both mykey. Even lame Moyes has his palyera battling and trying. We have no fight whatsoever. The fans are doing their bit. Backing them home and away not booing even the dreadful performances. We need to see more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: We'd have an enormous budget given how much we'd get for those players. I think we'd comfortably be able to replace them with players good enough for a Championship title push In theory, yes we'd be able to. But in actuality? I don't think anyone reasonably doubts that we are capable of winning the Championship but just because we're capable doesn't mean we will.You can't just chuck money at players and expect to get promoted. Sometimes it just doesn't come off enough for whatever reason and its far from a guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, mykeyb said: Sadly this is where I am at. I dont get what people are seeing from Dean that gives them any kind of positivity should we be relegated. The thing I don't understand is that if anyone was to suggest someone like Big Sam then it gets shot down because "we'd rather get relegated with Smith than have to watch Sam's football"... our football is neither pretty to watch or successful. So what exactly is there to lose? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: We'd have an enormous budget given how much we'd get for those players. I think we'd comfortably be able to replace them with players good enough for a Championship title push We had a pretty big budget for this coming season and it was largely wasted. You may well be right, but my confidence that we'll spend well is quite low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post romavillan Posted March 10, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2020 Ah, this thread again. Note the date of it's creation. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Even if we go down we should keep Smith and keep faith in the project that had AVFC and it's fanbase absolutely electrified last summer. This time we won't have a squad of loans and players with contracts botu to expire. We'll have a young squad and a core that will be more than competitive in the championship to add to and a lot of money to invest so that next time we come back up we don't have to get shot of 23 players and buy 15 at an average of less than £10m a head. £10m gets you the wrong leg of a Premier League footballer from below the knee to the ankle, no more. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: In theory, yes we'd be able to. But in actuality? I don't think anyone reasonably doubts that we are capable of winning the Championship but just because we're capable doesn't mean we will.You can't just chuck money at players and expect to get promoted. Sometimes it just doesn't come off enough for whatever reason and its far from a guarantee. Of course it's not guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Genie said: We had a pretty big budget for this coming season and it was largely wasted. You may well be right, but my confidence that we'll spend well is quite low. Not really. We had a big budget if we needed to buy a couple of players. But we needed to buy almost an entire squad. When you spread that budget around like that it's not that big. If we went down I assume we'd keep most of our players. Plus we'd probably have £100m plus from selling Grealish and Mings and McGinn if they leave to offset further spending. Obviously there's no guarantees, but I think we'd be in a very strong position to come up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Genie said: We had a pretty big budget for this coming season and it was largely wasted. I agree. Suso must go. I have no faith in anything if he keeps his job. Disastrous signings everywhere. If he goes there's some hope for Smith in the Championship. Last season, after about 4 weeks under Smith we were unrecognisable from the team Bruce was sending out. We're reeling madly now and the players are terrified as we're losing every game. We've lost our best central midfielder, our keeper and only had a striker from midway through January. The signs are there we can be organised. The start of this season we were absolutely not this bad. We could defend a corner ffs, yesterday was an embarrassment every ball into the box. We won every game in pre-season including a win over Leipzig who are about to go through to the quarter-final of Champs league. If we stay up I would shake Smith's hand and send him on his way. That's not going to happen, we're going down, so Smith stays for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 If we go down then the season will be a massive failure after the money we spent on top of already having players like Grealish, McGinn, Mings, Hause, and El Ghazi continuing on from last season, it's pointless pretending that we were working on a shoestring budget, if Leeds get promoted they will have to replace most of their team if they want to survive as will most teams looking to come up through the play-offs, if any of them spend anywhere near £140m the expectation on them would be survival and anything less would deemed as failure, I bet there were people on here last season publicly criticizing Fulham by use of ridicule when they were relegated after spending £100m plus. Purslow himself even said there was no interest in us just being a team that makes up the numbers and flirts with the catastrophe of relegation that the club has had to live with for the last three seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rolta Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, useless said: What did you expect him to say? We also went out and spent on average £9mil or something on each player. The premier league is full of teams who have had huge investment season upon season. Then you have the likes of Sheffield United, who have been a consistent, well-honed project over years—the exact opposite to us. We are where we are for many reasons. Edited March 10, 2020 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 This idea that our players are only worth £10m on average is a false narrative, in the summer when we were signing them people were talking about how they were worth more and talking about how shrewd our transfer dealings had been and praising Suso as a result, this was on top of players like Grealish and McGinn both of whom were being talked about as £50m plus players. Also I didn't say I expected Purslow to say anything else, just that he'd see relegation as a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 What is this mythical project everyone keeps speaking of ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think aston villa is a government sponsered subversion project created by well known former tavistock institute alumni billy "shears"mcgregor. its designed to break up traditional family units by putting daddy in a "perma-strop" every weekend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, useless said: This idea that our players are only worth £10m on average is a false narrative, in the summer when we were signing them people were talking about how they were worth more and talking about how shrewd our transfer dealings had been and praising Suso as a result, this was on top of players like Grealish and McGinn both of whom were being talked about as £50m plus players. Also I didn't say I expected Purslow to say anything else, just that he'd see relegation as a failure. That's because nobody had ever seen most of the signings play and so had hyped them up based on youtube videos and second hand accounts. It was the same the summer before we got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: The thing I don't understand is that if anyone was to suggest someone like Big Sam then it gets shot down because "we'd rather get relegated with Smith than have to watch Sam's football"... our football is neither pretty to watch or successful. So what exactly is there to lose? This is a strawman. The problem people have with getting an Allardyce is that he'll be the start of the cycle that led us here in the first place. He has a ceiling. He's very good at keeping teams up but has nothing in the tank after that. By the time we sack him, he'd have changed the whole squad into a PL version of our Championship one and we'd have to start from scratch again. We'd be at risk of relegation with whoever the new guy is. What do we do then, sack him and bring in Allardyce? For better or worse, we have a structure in place with a clear strategy. Allardyce and his style just don't fit it. We can find another manager to replace Smith who can work with our players and within our model, but bringing in Allardyce or someone of his ilk would be like trying to hammer in a square peg in a round hole. I'd rather get relegated now than have the process drawn out and coming full circle back to the Championship anyway. Has nothing to do with style of football. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Any manager that is "defensive" or a "dinosaur" works for me. Just get the basics right. At this point of the season, every point is massive. While teams around us are sneaking the odd point against even the top sides, they're edging away from us, because we need to score 2/3 goals just to get a draw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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