Designer1 Posted October 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Elvis was a hero to most. "But he never meant shit to me you see, straight out racist—that sucker was simple and plain!" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't think Queen are overrated. But that's because, everyone I know thinks Queen are shit. While not a fan of Queen, I don't think of them as over-rated. Great stage show. Probably the best I have seen, not that I have seen many. Don't own any of their music nor am I likely to own any. Speaking of over-rated ... Any band I have not heard of is by definition not over-rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Designer1 said: "But he never meant shit to me you see, straight out racist—that sucker was simple and plain!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Pink Floyd (excluding Syds songs especially See Emily Play)I know Dark Side can make a lot of sense with the right medication but the rest is just overblown tosh. Can't agree. Floyd albums are generally excellent though I'm one of those who doesn't think DSOTM is all that. Great Gig In The Sky is **** awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: I like The Beatles. However if someone made a case for “Sgt Pepper’s…” being one of, if not the most overrated album ever, I’d probably find myself agreeing with a fair few of the points. For me, the inclusion of “A day in the life” is the main saving grace. If you like this track , can I suggest looking on YT for the Jeff Beck version; Live From Ronnie Scott's I think. Features the brilliant Vinnie Colaiuta on drums. I wonder if many of those who knock the Beatles were around when they first started ? Teenagers were fed a diet of American 'pop' singers like Bobby Vee, Frankie Avalon, Dion etc. The Beatles were something new and revolutionary at the time - also introduced many people to the likes of Chuck Berry and other black American artists. I never saw them live but know they played at The Plaza in Rookery Road , Handsworth. They may not have been the greatest musicians (bass players I have played with often rate Paul M though) and they could have had Buddy Rich on drums but I don't think he would have improved them. Just an opinion. (and a pity they came from Liverpool:) ) Edited October 12, 2021 by veloman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 im sure rolling stones had changed sgt peppers from best to most important or something like that there was a BBC documentary on it for the 50th anniversary a few years back which broke down every song and talked about the recording techniques and how they did it all and how they half pioneered it and used new techniques for it, at least "new" techniques for a major album (insert objection from those who dont rate the beatles here...) but really that means a lot of the credit should go to george martin and also the fact that because they were so huge, because they weren't touring anymore they got the luxury of a year in the studio to **** about with anything they wanted for me personally the opening 4 songs are alright and then day in the life is brilliant (the story behind that song is good) not sure which album i would say is the best, i really like about 50% of the beatles stuff but i dont really explore their albums that much, i dont think theres a complete perfect beatles album but again thats the time and how they released music, some of the singles that arent on albums are incredible, i could sit and listen to the red and the blue compilation albums all day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: im sure rolling stones had changed sgt peppers from best to most important or something like that I've been wondering when Jagger and co reviewed albums. The I twigged that you meant Rolling Stone (singular) magazine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: a lot of the credit should go to george martin and also the fact that because they were so huge, because they weren't touring anymore they got the luxury of a year in the studio to **** about with anything they wanted This. There's a good podcast called "Producing The Beatles" (it's on Spotify) if you're interested in how they did stuff in the studio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This. There's a good podcast called "Producing The Beatles" (it's on Spotify) if you're interested in how they did stuff in the studio. And there's this - link to audio podcast thingy about the remix by his son. I am very much not a beadles fan, but it's quite interesting. Quote I travelled to New York to meet Giles Martin, who spearheaded the project, to find that out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This. There's a good podcast called "Producing The Beatles" (it's on Spotify) if you're interested in how they did stuff in the studio. on a similar vein , I watched one on youtube the other day for the producer who made Heroes (Bowie) you listen to the different layers and think WTF .. and then they blend it all in and Bam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: im sure rolling stones had changed sgt peppers from best to most important or something like that there was a BBC documentary on it for the 50th anniversary a few years back which broke down every song and talked about the recording techniques and how they did it all and how they half pioneered it and used new techniques for it, at least "new" techniques for a major album (insert objection from those who dont rate the beatles here...) but really that means a lot of the credit should go to george martin and also the fact that because they were so huge, because they weren't touring anymore they got the luxury of a year in the studio to **** about with anything they wanted for me personally the opening 4 songs are alright and then day in the life is brilliant (the story behind that song is good) not sure which album i would say is the best, i really like about 50% of the beatles stuff but i dont really explore their albums that much, i dont think theres a complete perfect beatles album but again thats the time and how they released music, some of the singles that arent on albums are incredible, i could sit and listen to the red and the blue compilation albums all day Pet Sounds was the album that spurred the Beatles on to make SPLHCB. They were in a friendly rivalry with the Beach Boys (mainly Brian). Mcfartney has always said that anyway (and Pet Sounds isn't even in my top 5 Beach Boys albums...maybe not top ten either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that yeah pet sounds was the first really complete "album" not like what the beatles et Al were doing with their singles and then covers and various bits etc or just 10 songs thrown together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Pet Sounds was the album that spurred the Beatles on to make SPLHCB. They were in a friendly rivalry with the Beach Boys (mainly Brian). Mcfartney has always said that anyway (and Pet Sounds isn't even in my top 5 Beach Boys albums...maybe not top ten either). I think The Beach Boys as a band are underrated. But Pet Sounds as an album is overrated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 BTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 39 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I think The Beach Boys as a band are underrated. But Pet Sounds as an album is overrated. Nail on the head there Moonster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: BTS I'd never heard of them, but they were on a table next to us in a restaurant in New York a few years ago. They all spent all meal on their phones, only stopping to have the odd photo with fans who'd stop by and ask them. That's assuming you mean the Korean band. If BTS stands for something else, then apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Pink Floyd (excluding Syds songs especially See Emily Play)I know Dark Side can make a lot of sense with the right medication but the rest is just overblown tosh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Risso said: I'd never heard of them, but they were on a table next to us in a restaurant in New York a few years ago. They all spent all meal on their phones, only stopping to have the odd photo with fans who'd stop by and ask them. That's assuming you mean the Korean band. If BTS stands for something else, then apologies! You got it first time. In all honesty I’ve never knowingly heard any of their music but given what little I do know about them I feel safe in stating that whatever their standing is in the music world, it’s overrated. But then to be fair, you can add any girl / boy group alongside them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that yeah pet sounds was the first really complete "album" not like what the beatles et Al were doing with their singles and then covers and various bits etc or just 10 songs thrown together Although I’ve read various comments from Brian Wilson basically saying the same thing of Rubber Soul and it’s influence on him. A healthy bit of competition, regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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