hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, Elton said: Yes, I mentioned Kalinic but that didn’t go too well. The other ones do go back years but the pattern in the last few years is very clear. 99% of January deals are late. Teams want to organise replacements, players want to weigh up options etc. The only players we will attract early are usually in the following categories: A: Ones teams are glad to be rid of or surplus to requirements. Drinkwater, Reina. B. We pay massively over the odds. C. Player isn’t good enough to attract a better club. Drinkwater. If we want a game changing signing we most likely have to be patient. ? All I was saying is that deals can and do get done early in the window. IIRC - wasn't the last winter window where nothing much happened at all ? - could be wrong on that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I really hope there is something in the Nzonzi rumours, he is exactly what we need and would be an amazing signing. Most probably other teams would jump ahead of us in the que though, get it done fast! Totally agree he's exacty what we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, hippo said: ? All I was saying is that deals can and do get done early in the window. IIRC - wasn't the last winter window where nothing much happened at all ? - could be wrong on that though. They generally don't get done early, though, because of the shuffling around that's needed in a relatively tight window. If we want a decent player, they will be registered as part of a squad and will need replacing. So even if the selling club agrees, they'll then need to line up a replacement. And that club will need a replacement. And then maybe the one afterwards... etc. So, generally, January is an appalling time to do business and deals will take longer to get done, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: Bent signed on the 18th January, Carew 22nd, Young 23rd Fair enough I stand corrected. (Looks like next week will be busy then)!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, hippo said: ? All I was saying is that deals can and do get done early in the window. IIRC - wasn't the last winter window where nothing much happened at all ? - could be wrong on that though. I appreciate that but it is very difficult to do deals in January. A lot of things have to line up. Fans (not you or anyone specifically) saying we should have had a forward lined up to sign on the first day of the window are living in cloud cuckoo land. Edited January 14, 2020 by Elton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, bobzy said: They generally don't get done early, though, because of the shuffling around that's needed in a relatively tight window. If we want a decent player, they will be registered as part of a squad and will need replacing. So even if the selling club agrees, they'll then need to line up a replacement. And that club will need a replacement. And then maybe the one afterwards... etc. So, generally, January is an appalling time to do business and deals will take longer to get done, too. OK fair point. Must admit though I am not expecting a Darren Bent type signing scuttling through the door in the last hours of the window. - I don't think there is major signing incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) I’m most lost on understanding FFP rules now. Everton reported ~100m loss this year, but interest free lending blah blah blah and they avoid punishment https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-avoid-punishment-despite-eye-21280395 Whereas we are worried about breaking FFP but if we go down, how much could we lose over the years compared to investing in a quality striker now in the hope of avoiding relegation. Edit: Everton profitable in the prior two years so under the 105m three year cycle For FFP. Wow what an outlay this year on players then for Marco Silva before he got the sack Edited January 14, 2020 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Elton said: I appreciate that but it is very difficult to do deals in January. A lot of things have to line up. Fans (not you or anyone specifically) saying we should have had a forward lined up to sign on the first day of the window are living in cloud cuckoo land. Cloud cuckoo land or not - it doesn't matter - end result is that we need a decent striker - I'm not saying it's easy (I'm sure it isn't) But we either have such a striker or we don't - the reasons and how difficult it is count for nothing in the harsh reality of gaining premier league points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Watford just poached a poacher. Is he any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, hippo said: Dunno last year we got kalnic on day 1 (a big deal for us at the time) - Bent arrived pretty early in the window - as did Carew and Ashley Young. Sure it's going back a few years - but big deals do happen early in the window. Is that Darren Bent who we signed on the 18th of January? Or John Carew who we signed on the 22nd of January? Or Ashley Young who we signed on the 23rd of January? Every year it's the same—people expect these transfers to be simple. Every year it blows my mind that people haven't learnt yet that the whole market in January is pretty much a stagnant mess. Not to mention that back in the day when we signed Young and Carew, we were a pretty well-established Premier League team not in the relegation zone. Sure, we were struggling when Bent came, but we were still an established Premier League team. So we signed one player early (Kalinic) once, therefore all transfers in January are easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, hippo said: Cloud cuckoo land or not - it doesn't matter - end result is that we need a decent striker - I'm not saying it's easy (I'm sure it isn't) But we either have such a striker or we don't - the reasons and how difficult it is count for nothing in the harsh reality of gaining premier league points. If course we do, I’d have loved to see a quality striker come in on January 1 but I’m realistic enough to know that wasn’t going to happen unless we were after some absolute dross. Frankly I think it’s a good sign that we haven’t panic bought some rubbish forward already, such as Benteke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, praisedmambo said: Is that Darren Bent who we signed on the 18th of January? Or John Carew who we signed on the 22nd of January? Or Ashley Young who we signed on the 23rd of January? Every year it's the same—people expect these transfers to be simple. Every year it blows my mind that people haven't learnt yet that the whole market in January is pretty much a stagnant mess. Not to mention that back in the day when we signed Young and Carew, we were a pretty well-established Premier League team not in the relegation zone. Sure, we were struggling when Bent came, but we were still an established Premier League team. So we signed one player early (Kalinic) once, therefore all transfers in January are easy. So you think new players of sufficient quality will arrive in the next couple of weeks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Well with Man U after Bruno Fernandes or whatever, will that give us one less immediate Grealish poacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The price if anyone wants to pay it for Grealish this month is £140m. That's the rough PL money isn't it? Wonder if Purslow would take it? Chance you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, hippo said: Yes - my concern as a supporter is we have so little to show for our £127m spending spree I wonder how the owners feel ? It's effectively there money ! Without that spending spree we wouldn't even be able to field a first 11, let alone subs too! The team would be (of those fit, which seems relevant): Nyland, Guilbert, Chester, _________, Taylor, Hourihane, Lansbury, Grealish, Elmo, Kodjia, _____________ and we'd have the subs of: __________________, _____________________, _____________________, ____________________, ______________________, ________________________, _______________________. And we'd have literally zero points. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Elton said: If course we do, I’d have loved to see a quality striker come in on January 1 but I’m realistic enough to know that wasn’t going to happen unless we were after some absolute dross. Frankly I think it’s a good sign that we haven’t panic bought some rubbish forward already, such as Benteke. But what sort of player do you think we are in for then ? Whenever they arrive I'm expecting Glen Murray, Benteke calibre rather than Piatek Our hope is that one of the lesser lights clicks for a few months - I'm just not sensing that we are waiting for top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hippo said: So you think new players of sufficient quality will arrive in the next couple of weeks ? Do you still think we signed all those players at the beginning of January? What I think is completely irrelevant tbh! I don't have a clue. Obviously, I hope so. EDIT: My opinion is that the basic truth is that we're likely not a very attractive option for 'top notch', and if we're hamstrung by financial fair play then that is serious: there are potential points deductions to be had. We can achieve what we want without 'top notch' anyway. We obviously want 17th+ and then a chance to build with a bit more balance next season. Edited January 14, 2020 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post weedman Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Villan4Life said: plenty in past have cut it!! N’Golo Kante was playing in Ligue 2 at one point Also Riyad Mahez and many others. It doesn’t matter what league they come from/ used to be in.. as long as they have talent and very good potential. These players need longer to adjust to the pace and power of the PL though. We signed potentials in the summer and half of them have been all but completely written off on here already. A few years ago I was bored and went to a Leicester forum and found their Jamie Vardy thread, went all the way back to the beginning to see if it was anything like our player threads. Identical. Within the first few months of him being there he was branded by many as nothing more than a hard worker who will be an adequate backup for a mid table championship team. It was said if they had any aspirations of pushing for the playoffs they'd need much better. Most agreed he'd probably score a few goals in league 1. Goes to show jumping to judgement on players, especially players new to a very physical league, is ridiculous, also goes to show even players with the potential to be Jamie Vardy in 2 years need time to adapt and settle. January isn't the time to be signing the next Jamie Vardy or Riyad Mahrez (in our position at least, Liverpool could get away with it!). It's the time to get the Drinkwaters and the Reinas, the players who can get going straight away without needing 6 months to a year to get used to the league. Who knows, we may have already signed the next big star last summer. January is about papering over the cracks until we can get continue rebuilding in the Summer, the biggest crack now is striker. We're obviously not gonna get a superstar, so maybe just a lump, someone who can hold the ball up long enough to pass to Grealish and allow us to build and sustain attacks, maybe that's all we need this window, just to see us through until the summer when we can sign a genuine starter. We seem to be missing a focal point up front so our attacks tend to fizzle out before they get started. I've been very anti Benteke but maybe he's what we need. He can play back to goal and his touch is OK enough to control the ball and pass to someone better. He'd probably even win a few headers which noone else in the attacking half of the pitch is capable of 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, maqroll said: Watford just poached a poacher. Is he any good? the 2 signings have poor goalscoring records 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, praisedmambo said: Without that spending spree we wouldn't even be able to field a first 11, let alone subs too! The team would be (of those fit, which seems relevant): Nyland, Guilbert, Chester, _________, Taylor, Hourihane, Lansbury, Grealish, Elmo, Kodjia, _____________ and we'd have the subs of: __________________, _____________________, _____________________, ____________________, ______________________, ________________________, _______________________. And we'd have literally zero points. Agreed. My point is those players have produced very little. We went on that spending spree to preserve our premier league status - objective on target to being achieved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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