KenjiOgiwara Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Where ARE we going with this? Not inside I'm guessing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, DCJonah said: Bowen on the bench today. Not sure if we can read much into it. Not really FA Cup and all that. Grealish may be on the bench for us! Just resting their best player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, M_Afro said: He has also only scored 5 goals for Chelsea n 45 games over a 2 year period....................and just think about how much stick a young kid was getting for scoring 6 in less than half that number of games and all in his first season! It’s a big risk. Not sure how a 33 year old reserve team striker is somehow comparable to a 23 year old young striker who is starting every week but those stats aren't even correct or at least paint a very skewed picture. He's actually scored 16 goals in the last 2 years for Chelsea if you count the Europa league, which I'm counting because you decided to also include Wesley's goal in the league cup. Edited January 4, 2020 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Giroud doesn’t fit what the board/management were trying to aim for or what the fans have been screaming for for the last 6 months. The management have talked about young, hungry players that have sell on value....so maybe they have slightly altered that given when need more experience on the pitch. But the fans have wanted more goals from a striker, reaction time from a striker and maybe more pace....Giroud is none of them. He’s a great player in his own right but seems opposite of what both the management and fans have been calling for. This just seems like fans wanting a name player rather than somebody who fits our style or expectation in the way we should play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, romavillan said: Pele can't get a hard on. Depending on his circumstances that might be an Escape to victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Agreed, I think Batshuayi makes more sense. Samatta too, they both would have some sell on value, are a bit more experienced at 26/27 in theory should be hitting their prime. Batshuayi I feel fits the bill of a January buy more as he's done OK in a couple of leagues and has played in the Prem before. It wouldn't be a 'Meltdown' signing but it would be sensible, particularly if the loan fee is less than a couple million, with a Permanent option on the table and allows us to spend money on a Winger to feed him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: Giroud doesn’t fit what the board/management were trying to aim for or what the fans have been screaming for for the last 6 months. The management have talked about young, hungry players that have sell on value....so maybe they have slightly altered that given when need more experience on the pitch. But the fans have wanted more goals from a striker, reaction time from a striker and maybe more pace....Giroud is none of them. He’s a great player in his own right but seems opposite of what both the management and fans have been calling for. This just seems like fans wanting a name player rather than somebody who fits our style or expectation in the way we should play. So you're saying the fans want a striker who scores loads of goals, has amazing reaction time and loads of pace? Who'd have thought! Should be ten a penny! Seriously though, if Giroud is still capable of playing at his level then there is no way we should turn our noses up at him. We do need experience and we do need a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Not sure how a 33 year old reserve team striker is somehow comparable to a 23 year old young striker who is starting every week but those stats aren't even correct or at least paint a very skewed picture. He's actually scored 16 goals in the last 2 years for Chelsea if you count the Europa league, which I'm counting because you decided to also include Wesley's goal in the league cup. We’re not in the Europa League. He has 5 in 45 league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Nyland was such a liability, that as soon as Dean Smith had the chance, he replaced him. And as a club, we were so desperate to replace him, we signed someone that we then have needed to replace. I'm not sold on Joe Hart, but at this point, trusting Nyland is a massive gamble I don’t think I could agree more on Nyland. He seemed so far out of his depth when he got his run last year. He was absolutely clueless on aerial balls into the box last season, needlessly coming off his line to try and catch or punch the ball out. I honestly hope he starts today so everyone can get a refresher on how he plays. His run this month will ultimately decide our fate and that’s terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, NSmith22 said: I don’t think I could agree more on Nyland. He seemed so far out of his depth when he got his run last year. He was absolutely clueless on aerial balls into the box last season, needlessly coming off his line to try and catch or punch the ball out. I honestly hope he starts today so everyone can get a refresher on how he plays. His run this month will ultimately decide our fate and that’s terrifying. Great claim from Westwood's late corner at Burnley though. Perhaps he's been learning!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Zatman said: Christophe Dugarry and Youri Djorkaeff did OK all them years back Off topic: Youri Djorkaeff's son Oan Djorkaeff plays for St Mirren Djorkaeff Sr goes to watch almost every match. Edited January 4, 2020 by Villan4Life 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, M_Afro said: We’re not in the Europa League. He has 5 in 45 league games. Then don't count Wesley's league cup goal either. We should only be looking at the PL right? And also, that's still a very unfair comparison considering Giroud is a sub for almost all his PL games. If you count by minutes per goal, he has a 327 minutes per goal ratio for Chelsea in the PL. Not good, but still higher than Wesley's. But you know, you can only make this comparison if you ignore his Europa league games in which he started most of them, his goal ratio during the same season for Arsenal he had before he moved to Chelsea, the assists he provides to the team which all make him look better. I don't want Giroud to come here, I just think comparing Wesley and Giroud along those lines is very unfair. Edited January 4, 2020 by Laughable Chimp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Tayls said: Why would we want to take someone who struggled at West Ham and can’t get into the Burnley lineup, to come and be our 1st choice keeper? We might as well just use our own keepers, who our coaching staff get to spend every training session with and knows what they are capable of. Bringing in Hart just makes zero sense. Why would we take Bournemouth’s 5th choice centreback off them? Dunno, but we did. Burnley and West Ham are both years ahead of us, unfortunately. I’m fairly confident that Hart is still a better keeper than Nyland, who has received serious amounts of praise on AVFC Twitter just for catching a routine corner against Burnley. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Then don't count Wesley's league cup goal either. We should only be looking at the PL right? And also, that's still a very unfair comparison considering Giroud is a sub for almost all his PL games. If you count by minutes per goal, he has a 327 minutes per goal ratio for Chelsea in the PL. Not good, but still higher than Wesley's. But you know, you can only make this comparison if you ignore his Europa league games in which he started most of them, his goal ratio during the same season for Arsenal he had before he moved to Chelsea, the assists he provides to the team which all make him look better. I don't want Giroud to come here, I just think comparing Wesley and Giroud along those lines is very unfair. Fair enough. My point is, although he was once a great player, it’s a risk to take him now. He will be 34 this year. His recent return in the league is poor. Your point about minutes per goal is relevant but if he was doing well he would get more minutes. It’s also easier to score in an established Chelsea team than a developing Villa one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, M_Afro said: Fair enough. My point is, although he was once a great player, it’s a risk to take him now. He will be 34 this year. His recent return in the league is poor. Your point about minutes per goal is relevant but if he was doing well he would get more minutes. It’s also easier to score in an established Chelsea team than a developing Villa one. Well yeah, but its also far harder to get into an established Chelsea team than a developing Villa one. Hence, less minutes. Edited January 4, 2020 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 53 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Bowen on the bench today. Not sure if we can read much into it. 100% not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Joe Hart is finished and was found out big time. Any keeper that can't dive to his left is a huge liability 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Not sure how a 33 year old reserve team striker is somehow comparable to a 23 year old young striker who is starting every week but those stats aren't even correct or at least paint a very skewed picture. He's actually scored 16 goals in the last 2 years for Chelsea if you count the Europa league, which I'm counting because you decided to also include Wesley's goal in the league cup. I found it weird questioning Giroud's strike rate in the first place. He's a very good striker who's never had a problem scoring consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Bowen off the bench now, pity for him will be cup-tied and miss out on a winners medal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Great claim from Westwood's late corner at Burnley though. Perhaps he's been learning!! Perhaps and I hope you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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