MaVilla Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 The way liverpool play 3 up front, who are 3 strikers but any can also act as wingers or IF, almost feels like it's a nee role name... Like.... Stringers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, MaVilla said: The way liverpool play 3 up front, who are 3 strikers but any can also act as wingers or IF, almost feels like it's a nee role name... Like.... Stringers? Swingers is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted January 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, lexicon said: Why are people hating Taremi's highlights? The video I saw wasn't bad at all - powerful finisher, good movement. I thought the highlights are fine, good in fact. At least as good as any other we’ve seen. His record is good too, will reserve judgment until (if) we see him play for us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I've just searched him on youtube and the video was Salifou'esque. OK cool - can you walk me through all the 'Salifou-esque' bits please? Because I don't see where you're coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 That's actually not the video I saw, but I still think he looks bang average. And that's bang average in a league where Hogan would score 40 goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: That's actually not the video I saw, but I still think he looks bang average. And that's bang average in a league where Hogan would score 40 goals. He is average. Like I say, this is the sort of signing I'd expect in the Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted January 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2020 He's got a very good and consistent goal scoring rate. Definitely above average. Granted he's played in weaker leagues than the Premier League and who knows how his scoring would translate (as always), but you can only score against what's in front of you. And he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He is average. Like I say, this is the sort of signing I'd expect in the Championship. Does this knowledge come from watching the Iranian league, the Qatari league, his handful of games for Rio Ave or Football Manager? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: The way liverpool play 3 up front, who are 3 strikers but any can also act as wingers or IF, almost feels like it's a nee role name... Like.... Stringers? Winkers is better. Come to think of it, I've always thought of Liverpool as a bunch of winkers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) There are many factors to be taken into consideration with every signing. At Rio Ave, they've scored 20 goals this season in 17 games, which isn't a lot. Apparently, he's played 54% of the total minutes the team has but with 6 goals and 5 assists, he's been involved in more than half of their goals. The Portuguese league isn't bad and he's done pretty damn well so far. I'd definitely sign him if we could get him for a similar price to Samatta. Edited January 21, 2020 by lexicon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Chindie said: We're not in the market for £30m odd players at the mo. We're after bargains and loans. Samatta is likely the biggest signing we'll make, and given that 8.5m isn't the biggest fee in the world, that should give you an idea of the ponds we're fishing in. I just hope they’re not carp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: He's got a very good and consistent goal scoring rate. Definitely above average. Granted he's played in weaker leagues than the Premier League and who knows how his scoring would translate (as always), but you can only score against what's in front of you. And he has. That’s very true, he can only be judged against who he has played against. The scouts and coaches have the difficult job of making an educated decision as to whether he has the ability and character to play in the PL. We’re constantly asking why we rarely find an unknown gem and yet when we’re linked with players that haven’t played in a top league they’re instantly dismissed as rubbish before they’ve even had a medical. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, TheStagMan said: The sarcasm from myself and many other people is because of the following: Do you really think that the club don't know this? Do you really think that the club aren't trying? Do you really think people at the club are that incompetent they don't know they've got to get a signing in? Or do you think its possible that they're trying their best with what's available and players that will want to come to us that fit with our model, rather than buying the overpriced Journeyman trash that we have been buying in the past that has got us into the position we are in. You have asked 4 questions. Of these, questions 1 and 3 are the same, but the answers to the first two questions you have asked are obviously what you want them to be, ie 'no' and 'no'. The problem here is not that they don't know the problem, or can't be arsed to try. The problem is that their efforts - 'trying their best' or otherwise - have been unsuccessful. Opposition teams are not going to take pity on us because we're 'trying our best'. So far, the fixture list has arguably been in our favour, in that we'd probably have lost to City regardless and a point at Brighton isn't the worst result (although it isn't the best either, obviously). As I've said before, there are people at this club being paid very large wages to get recruitment right. They will be judged on the only outcome that really matters, which is whether or not we stay up at the end of the season, and to be honest if we get relegated 'I tried my best' isn't going to be adequate as an excuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: You have asked 4 questions. Of these, questions 1 and 3 are the same, but the answers to the first two questions you have asked are obviously what you want them to be, ie 'no' and 'no'. The problem here is not that they don't know the problem, or can't be arsed to try. The problem is that their efforts - 'trying their best' or otherwise - have been unsuccessful. Opposition teams are not going to take pity on us because we're 'trying our best'. So far, the fixture list has arguably been in our favour, in that we'd probably have lost to City regardless and a point at Brighton isn't the worst result (although it isn't the best either, obviously). As I've said before, there are people at this club being paid very large wages to get recruitment right. They will be judged on the only outcome that really matters, which is whether or not we stay up at the end of the season, and to be honest if we get relegated 'I tried my best' isn't going to be adequate as an excuse. But there are so many factors. Maybe the recruitment team did try their best - and brought in best available players at those prices. BUT we had 4/5 VAR decisions cost us points at the start of the season. BUT we had major injuries to key players. BUT maybe Smith played wrong tactics in some games BUT if we signed more established players, obvious targets, maybe we would have gone down anyway with a crazy wage bill that would see us down like Leeds or Portsmouth. We are talking about a major sports brand with very successful and knowledgeable people at the top. I am more likely to trust them than someone on an internet forum who probably should be at work now and is posting from trap nr 3 somewhere on Colmore Row. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: As I've said before, there are people at this club being paid very large wages to get recruitment right. They will be judged on the only outcome that really matters, which is whether or not we stay up at the end of the season, and to be honest if we get relegated 'I tried my best' isn't going to be adequate as an excuse. It should be, though. We came up as the worst side to be in the Premier League (playoff win) and then had to buy almost an entirely new squad. Being in 18th position after 23 games and one point from safely isn’t the worst. The ultimate aim for this season should be 17th place. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Taermi video shows some good instincts and movement. Slow decision making though when he rounded the keeper it took a while to ready himself for the shot. And that high kick one should've been a header and a miracle it went in. Doesn't look a disaster though. Look I'd obviously prefer Giroud or Batshuayi. Taremi won't keep us up but he's the kind of signing we'd wanted our scouting network to make for a while. Not his fault some of the more recent signings we've made haven't worked out yet. Doesn't mean he won't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: It should be, though. We came up as the worst side to be in the Premier League (playoff win) and then had to buy almost an entirely new squad. Being in 18th position after 23 games and one point from safely isn’t the worst. The ultimate aim for this season should be 17th place. Those seem like two different arguments. Your second line I completely agree with! The season is not even close to over, we are very much in touch, we now have a striker who may turn out to be good, and hope is very far from lost. The problem for me is the first line. I'm sure the target set at the start of the season was to stay up as a minimum. Failing to do so will be a failure, however difficult the task was, and in the review of PL 19/20 that we would/will have afterwards, recruitment will rightly be one of the areas looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheStagMan Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: You have asked 4 questions. Of these, questions 1 and 3 are the same, but the answers to the first two questions you have asked are obviously what you want them to be, ie 'no' and 'no'. The problem here is not that they don't know the problem, or can't be arsed to try. The problem is that their efforts - 'trying their best' or otherwise - have been unsuccessful. Opposition teams are not going to take pity on us because we're 'trying our best'. So far, the fixture list has arguably been in our favour, in that we'd probably have lost to City regardless and a point at Brighton isn't the worst result (although it isn't the best either, obviously). As I've said before, there are people at this club being paid very large wages to get recruitment right. They will be judged on the only outcome that really matters, which is whether or not we stay up at the end of the season, and to be honest if we get relegated 'I tried my best' isn't going to be adequate as an excuse. Which is fine. But people are freaking out and coming out with all sorts of insults at the club and the coaching/recruitment staff - mostly on the basis that we did not buy more players in the summer (even though we apparently bought too many already) and that a couple of strikers weren't wheeled out on day 1 of the window. I have faith in the club that they will be doing the right thing in the long term interests of the club and signing players accordingly - not panic reacting and getting anyone in because we need "someone now". Like you say. The only time to judge is at the end of the season, anything else is just ranting: We already have the: "We need premier league experience, we signed too many hopefuls" * club sign an experienced premier league player "Boooo, he is rubbish, if he was any good he would not have been on Chelsea's bench" "We need an experienced keeper, Nyland is rubbish" * club sign a vastly experienced keeper with an impressive record at premier league level "Boooo, he is old and hasn't played for *ages* "Kodjia is crap, he should never play for Villa again" * Club sells Kodjia for a remarkable fee "Boooo, why did we sell Kodjia - we need him or we will be relegated" "We haven't signed a striker yet and it is day 15" * Club signs a striker with a very good record in the Belgian league "Booo, I have never seen this guy play but I have decided he is not premier league quality, we need better quality signings" * Manager states that we are working on another striker "Booooo, he should have been here on day 1, the club are incompetent." Its laughable, it really is. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I am more likely to trust them than someone on an internet forum who probably should be at work now and is posting from trap nr 3 somewhere on Colmore Row. Are you spying on me? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Given that the simple transfer of a English 16 yr old, for relative peanuts, from a club happy to lose him, to a club where his former coach works and that his family support is still taking over a week to complete, I think it's unsurprising that top class forwards / first team starters have taken a bit longer. IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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