VILLAMARV Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Sooo... Bags on the heads of the arrested then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Anyone read or hear about the bait truck of Nike shoes parked in Englewood, a predominantly black, low-income neighbourhood of Chicago? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6050263/Railroad-apologizes-using-Nike-sneakers-bait-truck-black-Chicago-neighborhood-police-sting.html Quote Railroad apologizes for leaving a bait truck full of Nike sneakers in a black Chicago neighborhood to draw out would-be thieves as part of a joint undercover sting with police The Norfolk Southern Railroad apologized for using a 'bait truck' to lure thieves The trucks full of designer shoes were left near populated areas in early August The open trucks were meant to entice thieves who would later be arrested The trucks were placed in a largely black, impoverished Chicago neighborhood The trucks were seen two days in a row, with officers allegedly hiding nearby Three people were arrested during the two-day sting, authorities said Kicking goals the boys in blue are. The documentary "How To Make Money Selling Drugs" has the story of a former officer who exposes the culture of planting and framing innocent people for drugs. Officers selling confiscated drugs and pocketing money from dealers that are arrested. The officer turns vigilante one day after smoking some of the cannabis he has confiscated and starting to question the ethics of what he was involved in. It's a pretty funny twist to what is a sad state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Police in talks to scrap 'reasonable grounds' condition for stop and search Quote Police chiefs want to trigger an expansion of stop and search by lowering the level of suspicion an officer needs against a suspect to use the power, the Guardian has learned. They want to scrap the requirement that “reasonable grounds” are needed before a person can be subjected to a search, amid mounting concern over knife attacks. Senior officers have held talks with advisers to the home secretary, Sajid Javid, within the last fortnight to discuss the issue. It would fuel the debate about police discrimination against minority ethnic communities, civil liberties and the role stop and search has to play in tackling violent crime. The plans were confirmed by Adrian Hanstock, the deputy chief constable of the British Transport Police and national lead on stop and search for the National Police Chiefs’ Council. The proposals, which apply to England and Wales, would also make it more likely that those caught with a knife could be dealt with by an education programme, the so-called public health approach, rather than ending up before the courts. Hanstock told the Guardian: “There are a lot of calls for officers to do more stop and search. But the current individual threshold that officers have to meet is very tight and precise. So is there any appetite to reduce that threshold where [an] officer has a genuine fear that the person is at risk, or there is a safeguarding threat, or is a risk to others? “If that officer does not have sufficient grounds or X-ray vision to see they are carrying a weapon, and they are concerned they may have something to cause harm, that should trigger a search. “They will still have to record what has concerned them.” ... more on link Standard police want more and less stringently controlled power(s) stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2018 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, snowychap said: Police in talks to scrap 'reasonable grounds' condition for stop and search Standard police want more and less stringently controlled power(s) stuff. It’s like they never learn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Well, we can spend an extra penny for community services and family support, or we can reintroduce sus. No brainer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Not sue if this is the right place, but it deserves to go somewhere. Need to follow the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Met police push ahead with armed patrols despite backlash Quote The Metropolitan police have said they would press ahead with plans to allow armed officers to patrol areas with their guns visible and ready to use, in an effort to quell knife crime and violent gangs. News of the plans provoked criticism and, the Guardian has learned, has sparked a rift with Sadiq Khan, who was not consulted despite the force being accountable in law to the London mayor. The plans represent a change to traditional policing, where firearms officers are only deployed when there was a fear suspects may have weapons. The Met leadership – from the commissioner, Cressida Dick, downwards – stressed the plan would not amount to routine armed patrols in the capital. ...more on link Routine is doing a lot of shady work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 This is not what I expect our police to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 11, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, peterms said: This is not what I expect our police to be doing. No I expect the police to do this (because it has many elements of stupidity when it comes to senior officers), I really don't expect doctors to do that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 MPs are told Met aims to increase number of officers working full time in schools to 600 Quote The Metropolitan police are planning to increase the number of officers working full-time in schools in London, as concerns grow about a surge in knife crime. Deputy assistant commissioner Mark Simmons told an inquiry into knife crime there were 420 police officers with full-time roles in schools in the capital – up from 280 12 to 18 months ago – and that the aim was to get the total up to just under 600. The use of officers in schools, though supported by many headteachers, has been seen as controversial because of concerns about the appropriateness of police in an education context, potentially gathering intelligence on young people. Simmons, who was being questioned by MPs on the cross-party education select committee, said the aim of having more officers in schools was to develop better relationships and improve engagement between young people and the police. Asked about stop and search, he said it was an important tool, if used in the right way, to increase safety and reduce the likelihood of a young person carrying a knife. “We are investing heavily in more officers working full time in schools. We have gone from 280 or so 12 to 18 months ago to 420 officers full time, and our ambition is to get to just under 600. “We need young people to see the police not just as the person who stops them in the street and searches them, even though that may be an absolutely proportionate, legitimate thing to do, but also as someone who can become familiar to them, who can be approachable, who can engage with them day to day within school. It’s a really important part of our approach.” He said police were also offering a “schools watch” programme, providing safe routes for pupils making their way home after school between 3pm and 6pm, when young people are known to be particularly vulnerable. So far, 78 schools in London have taken up the offer and 40 have turned it down. The deputy assistant commissioner was giving evidence at a one-day inquiry into knife crime by MPs on the education select committee. Also giving evidence was the former Ofsted chief inspector Sir Michael Wilshaw, who said stop and search had to be used sensitively because it alienated some groups in society. “Most headteachers I know would stop and search a youngster they suspect of carrying a weapon.” As a headteacher, however, he said he had resisted using knife arches and metal detectors because he did not want schools to be “prison-like”. A key focus of the inquiry was a possible correlation between the recent increase in the number of pupils being excluded from school and an increase in knife crime. According to official figures, there were 7,700 permanent pupil exclusions in 2016-17, the equivalent of more than 40 a day during the school year, up from a little over 35 a day the previous year. Many of the witnesses agreed that being excluded increased a young person’s vulnerability to crime. Carlie Thomas, a senior caseworker for the St Giles Trust, working with young people caught up in crime and exploitation, said: “The fact is that our young people, when they are in school, they are not on the roads. “That’s seven hours of keeping them away from risk, keeping them in a safe and secure place where they are able to find help if they need help. When our young people are excluded from the education system, that’s another life you could lose. The minute they are excluded, they are at risk.” Wilshaw said on the rare occasions he had excluded pupils as a headteacher, he was often “committing them to a miserable few years afterwards. We realised very quickly even if they went to a decent pupil referral unit … they were in great danger of being drawn into crime.” He said he believed school funding cuts had led to an increase in exclusions. Previously, schools would have been able to afford to run a therapeutic or learning support unit on site for challenging pupils, who would not have to be excluded. “I could not afford that facility now,” said Wilshaw. The former Ofsted chief also raised concerns about the role of local authorities in monitoring school exclusions. He said council oversight of schools had been marginalised with the introduction of autonomous academies, and many were now reluctant to challenge academy trusts. “I’m not sure local authorities know what is happening in schools, and particularly in schools that are not their own, academies and free schools, and feel wary of intervening with very powerful chief executives. “There has to be a better balance, and local authorities need to have a part to play in monitoring what’s happening in all their schools, including academies and free schools.” Police in schools? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, snowychap said: MPs are told Met aims to increase number of officers working full time in schools to 600 Police in schools? Been that way for a while now. I know someone who has worked this side of the border for charities and youth offender type places. Many of the kids she would deal with would be repeat offenders and the issues, if one cares to scratch a little under the surface, often quite complex. Having someone from the Youth Offending Team or the local housing dept or Councillors or all of the above stationed within the schools she felt was a positive move. The various depts on hand and working together proved, to her at least, to be a really positive step forward because there were obvious and immediate benefits. And the kids got help and advice quicker. And the point was to try and tackle the issue of exclusion compounding most if not all of these problems. This is all in a pretty rural area so no police directly stationed on site but I think with dedicated officers assigned so if there is/was an issue it would hopefully be people arriving to deal with it aware of any ongoing issues or situations. So in that way all good. Here's an interesting TEDtalk about that sort of stuff. Of course, far be it from me to be overly positive about something The studies into effectiveness are 'ongoing' - the one thing I can't shift from my thinking is that since we started doing this, knife-crime has gone through the roof allegedly! (Yes causation/correlation I know, I'm trying to keep it light!) Quote Hundreds of police officers are now based in schools but we don’t know enough about the work they do, or the impact their presence has on pupils, insists Dr Amanda Henshall The presence of officers in schools is part of a massive package of surveillance measures, including more CCTV in schools, that make children and young people perhaps the most surveilled in England. Seventeen police forces in England deploy officers in schools, often within safer school partnerships (SSPs), an initiative implemented in 2002. The objectives of SSPs are ostensibly benign, including ensuring pupil safety, early intervention with pupils at risk of offending, and reducing antisocial behaviour both in the school and the community. However, there are some big, unanswered questions. Published in 2009 by a working group of government and police representatives, the safer schools guidance – which formed the basis for many of the existing local partnerships – referred to officers gathering and sharing intelligence on young people and their possible criminal, gang or extremist affiliations. However, we don’t know what happens to that intelligence, how it is stored, who has access to it and the possible ramifications for the young people concerned. And what about effectiveness? Evaluations of the early days of the SSPs showed small improvements in measures such as truancy rates, but the data was too weak to show improvements in school-level offending. Pupils did, however, report feeling safer in the intervention schools relative to comparison schools that were not part of SSPs. This chimes with findings from the US, where police presence in schools has been more thoroughly researched. It is also more intensive: some schools have security staff or officers from local and national specialist teams. Yet although pupils may feel safer from external threats or peer violence, when officers intervene in school discipline, heavy-handed confrontations with pupils can spiral out of control. Minor misdemeanours have mutated into a police matter, resulting in summons to court for minors. There have been reports of officers in Texas using tasers on pupils. I have focused my own recent study on London, where at the time of data gathering in 2014, 182 schools had police officers working in them either full or part-time. In the US, police tend to be deployed in schools in poorer, urban areas. So I looked at the levels of pupils eligible for free school meals (FSM) in schools with an onsite officer, and found that police are more likely to be based in schools with higher levels of pupils eligible for FSM; that is, with a more disadvantaged population of pupils. Of the 27 schools that at that time had 50 per cent or more pupils eligible for FSM, 24 had an onsite police officer deployed. The fact that the percentage of schools with a police officer increases as the percentage of pupils eligible for FSM increases indicates that this is not a coincidence. more there... https://schoolsweek.co.uk/are-police-officers-in-schools-a-force-for-good/ So, you know, it's just the poorer kids that need policing in this way... And the MET want schools to install metal detectors at the doors IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: Having someone from the Youth Offending Team or the local housing dept or Councillors or all of the above stationed within the schools she felt was a positive move. That is vastly different from having police stationed in schools as you go on to acknowledge. It's just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 11/11/2018 at 20:57, snowychap said: Police in talks to scrap 'reasonable grounds' condition for stop and search Standard police want more and less stringently controlled power(s) stuff. Standard Police get........ Quote Police in England and Wales are being given greater stop and search powers to tackle rising knife crime. Home Secretary Sajid Javid is making it easier for officers to search people without reasonable suspicion in places where serious violence may occur.....................The change is being trialled in seven police force areas where more than 60% of knife crime occurs: London, the West Midlands, Merseyside, South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Wales and Greater Manchester. It makes it easier to use so-called "section 60" searches, where officers can search anyone in a certain area for a limited period of time to prevent violent crime. Under the new rules, inspectors will be able to authorise the use of section 60; currently, more senior officers have to give approval. There will also be a lower threshold for authorising searches - police will only need to reasonably believe serious violence "may" occur, not that it "will"......................Katrina Ffrench, chief executive of StopWatch, which campaigns against excessive use of stop and search, said: "This decision is a disappointing and regressive move, which is about politics not saving lives." Removing the need for reasonable suspicion "will not only exacerbate the racial disparity, but has the potential to further damage the relationship between the black community and the police," she said. A study for the College of Policing looked at ten years of stop and search data in London and found it to be "inconsistent" and "weak" as a deterrent. In order to reduce violent crime by 2% in a borough during the following week, police would need to carry out 200 times the number of weapons searches, it said. The extra powers roll back a key change made by Prime Minister Theresa May in 2014 when she was home secretary. She introduced a revised code of conduct after an inquiry examined thousands of police searches and found 27% may have been illegal. When misused, stop and search was "an enormous waste of police time" and "an unacceptable affront to justice", she said. Reflecting on the recent announcement, the prime minister said the powers were "an important tool in the fight against knife crime". Partly as a result of the 2014 changes, the use of stop and search fell in England and Wales from a peak of 1.4 million ten years ago to 277,378 last year. The numbers of searches fell for every ethnic group, but ethnic and racial inequality has grown. In 2014-15 black people were four times as likely to be searched as white people, while in 2017-18, they were 9.5 times as likely to be searched. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47760645 more there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Probably saw this in the other thread but worth linking the two. Been a big week. Quote (Some human beings) .........lost a legal fight against pre-emptive arrests made when some of them dressed as zombies in London during 2011's royal wedding. The nine demonstrators were detained until after the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge kissed on the balcony at Buckingham Palace. After eight years of legal hearings, they took their case to the European Court of Human Rights. There, they were told there had been no breach of their right to liberty. That court's ruling means police can preventatively detain people even if they have no specific intelligence linking the individual to crime https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47737635 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Big up those 2 human beings having fun at work there. This thread however is one of pure anger and hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Quote Police officers who danced with climate change protesters in London have been rapped by their boss for their "unacceptable behaviour". Footage posted on Twitter by @WildlifeCafe appeared to show a small handful of Metropolitan Police officers in high-visibility jackets dancing to music and responding to chants of "we love you" from supporters of the Extinction Rebellion action at Oxford Circus. One officer could be seen applauding as the crowd began cheering while another raised his hand aloft in acknowledgement of their support. Subsequent statements on the @WildlifeCafe account backed the officers, who were said to be in solidarity with the protesters. But Scotland Yard said enquiries were being made to identify those involved. Commander Jane Connors said: "I'm disappointed by the video and the unacceptable behaviour of the officers in it. "We expect our officers to engage with protesters but clearly their actions fall short of the tone of the policing operation at a time when people are frustrated at the actions of the protesters." "We will be reminding officers of their responsibilities and expectations in policing this operation - however the majority of officers have been working long hours and I am grateful to them for their continued commitment." Pledging their support for the officers, the @WildlifeCafe said they had concerns the video would be misrepresented. They wrote: "This clip was just a momentary bit of fun these officers had with the crowd nothing more. https://www.lep.co.uk/news/environment/police-boss-disappointed-with-officers-who-danced-at-climate-change-protest-1-9720511 Wildly predictable but still ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2019 If it was the Notting Hill Carnival they'd be applauded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47805730 Quote Police officers and staff accused of domestic abuse are a third less likely to be convicted than the general public, figures from 37 forces suggest. They show 3.9% of claims against police led to a conviction from 2015-18 in England and Wales, compared with 6.2% among the population as a whole. Police domestic abuse lead Dame Vera Baird said the issue does not "appear to be taken as seriously" as it should. The Home Office said it was bringing in reforms "to improve police integrity". Figures from the Freedom of Information request, conducted by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), also found that more than four allegations of domestic abuse against police staff were recorded each week. Fewer than a quarter of those allegations led to disciplinary action. Wouldnt be surprised to hear it’s WMP involves in that investigation. My partners own domestic abuse claim against her ex husband was ignored by the officers listening to her and she was (I have to put allegedly as she has no actual proof) told that “Brexit will happen soon so you can sort it out at home”. She’s Polish. Unfortunately, I believe her account and my Czech work colleague recently had a similar experience a few weeks ago too. A lot of bouncer-esque knucklehead thugs in the police, when I worked for Place Of Safety I met a lot of fantastic officers who do the profession proud but I also met a lot of racist bigoted idiot officers too. Usually shaved head, beard, built and tattooed out the wazoo (not to cast aspersions about all built, shaven headed, bearded tattooed people). They were almost always partnered up together too. I await Snowy’s Spanish Inquisition that calls into doubt my own experiences and my actual existence as a person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: I await Snowy’s Spanish Inquisition that calls into doubt my own experiences and my actual existence as a person. Ha ha ha. If this is your genuine reaction to having some of the details of your anecdotes questioned then it doesn't lend much support to their veracity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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