bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, LondonLax said: That’s nothing, in Australia uniformed officers patrol through popular bars with sniffer dogs in tow on a Friday and Saturday night. It puts a bit of a damper on your after work drinks when two cops are standing by your table and a police dog is sniffing round your pockets. So you know 100% that they are police officers? With this, imagine going to an unfamiliar pub and ordering a soft drink or really taking your time having a drink. It really is Stasi-esque I'm sure the "If you've got nothing to hide" brigade will be all over this like it's the best idea since sliced bread but they as usual have the intellect of three week old road-kill A single female leaves a bar, 30 seconds later a single male does the same - quick - follow him.... jesus wept, it's such a bad idea 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted March 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2021 My local MP (Robbie Moore - not keen on an MP being called Robbie but as a Rob I'm probably biased) has tweeted that he will be supporting the Police Bill and that it's fantastic. What kind of response is he expecting to that? Probably not the one he got. I doubt he's even read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 So the response to a murder of a woman by an off duty police officer is to have more police officers in plain clothes watching over women in pubs.... Can someone switch off the real life satire generators please 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well that’s it folks, we now have fun police for real. I hope everyone who called for tougher measures is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, bickster said: So the response to a murder of a woman by an off duty police officer is to have more police officers in plain clothes watching over women in pubs.... It's easily fixed. Squads of plain clothes officers following those officers to make sure they aren't getting up to anything. Then probably some officers following those officers, just to be sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Demitri_C Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 For me a fundamental problem in the uk is walking home at nightime.its dangerous walking alone at night time.the government and police need to look at ways to make it safer for people who wnat to walk home. I dont know about anyone else but i could nevee walk home by myself with headphones on. I like to hear whats around me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: For me a fundamental problem in the uk is walking home at nightime.its dangerous walking alone at night time.the government and police need to look at ways to make it safer for people who wnat to walk home. I dont know about anyone else but i could nevee walk home by myself with headphones on. I like to hear whats around me No doubt worse in London, and maybe I’m naive or just haven’t yet been affected but I just don’t live with this fear. I accept it could happen, any time because there are psychopaths out there but I don’t allow it to govern my choices and I certainly don’t live in fear of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 hours ago, bickster said: So the response to a murder of a woman by an off duty police officer is to have more police officers in plain clothes watching over women in pubs.... Can someone switch off the real life satire generators please Struggling to see why one psychopath who murdered somebody and who just happened to be a police officer means that all police officers should be tainted by association. Or should we be suspicious of all GPs after the worst serial killer in UK history was a doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Risso said: Struggling to see why one psychopath who murdered somebody and who just happened to be a police officer means that all police officers should be tainted by association. Or should we be suspicious of all GPs after the worst serial killer in UK history was a doctor? I'm struggling to see why you thought that was the intent of my post tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Risso said: Struggling to see why one psychopath who murdered somebody and who just happened to be a police officer means that all police officers should be tainted by association. Or should we be suspicious of all GPs after the worst serial killer in UK history was a doctor? It’s not as though undercover police have ever taken the names of dead babies and then fathered children with women and then disappeared out of their lives. Nothing to see here. Just the state going undercover to protect us. Again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, bickster said: I'm struggling to see why you thought that was the intent of my post tbh What was the intent then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Risso said: What was the intent then? To point out what a f***ing stupid idea it was You'd need more fingers than you have on one hand to count the police officers I've assisted in investigations, just today, my day off. I have nothing against the police, I do however think they should act in accordance with the law (Just ask the Inspector that had to appologise to a judge because of me last week) and not be put up to utterly stupid f***witted politically motivated stunts like this one that have massive civil liberty consequences for everybody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted March 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: No doubt worse in London, and maybe I’m naive or just haven’t yet been affected but I just don’t live with this fear. I accept it could happen, any time because there are psychopaths out there but I don’t allow it to govern my choices and I certainly don’t live in fear of This all over, it's peoples perception of the danger on the streets that surrenders the streets. Yes crime exists but its a rare event, don't surrender to fear. I don't, I ride my bike home from work after 12am most nights and through a roughish estate. Done it for 10 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, bickster said: To point out what a f***ing stupid idea it was Whether it's a stupid idea or not is one thing. What does the fact that the psycho who killed Sarah Everard was a policeman have to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Risso said: Whether it's a stupid idea or not is one thing. What does the fact that the psycho who killed Sarah Everard was a policeman have to do with it? 6 hours ago, bickster said: Can someone switch off the real life satire generators please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, bickster said: To quote Alan Partridge, that's more vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 Couldn't they just make doing crimes illegal, or something? That should stop it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeorgeVilla82 Posted March 16, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, tinker said: This all over, it's peoples perception of the danger on the streets that surrenders the streets. Yes crime exists but its a rare event, don't surrender to fear. I don't, I ride my bike home from work after 12am most nights and through a roughish estate. Done it for 10 years. I very rarely post on VT, much more of a lurker, but I just wanted to respond to this. Nothing personal against you @tinker, but this approach is one of the problems with women's concerns being taken seriously by men. I'm a 30-something woman, and happen to live 2 streets down from where Sarah Everard was last seen alive. Although what happened to her is incredibly rare, it highlighted the fears that most women live with every day. Every time we walk somewhere at night, or unknown, or quiet, we make a risk assessment on what we would do if we were attacked (most likely by a man). We make this risk assessment because it's happened, or has nearly happened, to most of us. My friends and I have been followed on numerous occasions, groped in bars, made to feel very uncomfortable on public transport with lewd comments, been grabbed or even assaulted. There might occasionally be violence involved but the majority of the time, it's "just" sexual. These events aren't rare - they're experienced every day by a lot of women. That's why we carry our keys between our fingers when we walk home so that we have something to use in defence, why we tell each other to text when we get home safely, why we pretend to be on the phone when we walk past groups of drunk men to try to not get noticed. I'm not saying that men don't sometimes have the same fears, or that this happens to all women. But it's so much more prevalent for us that it's a part of life - just normal behaviour - when it really shouldn't be. And telling people not to surrender to fear negates the genuine concerns that women have, so they stop raising them and the behaviour is normalised. I know opinions will differ on this, and I don't propose to get into a heated debate on it, but just wanted to post my view. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 The current events have created a window for discussion in my own circle of family and friends. The number of stories of groping, and people needing to run home because something has happened, of lifts home in a car that turned bad, of works drinks events that turned bad and of even being walked home and then that person expecting a ‘reward’ for keeping the woman safe. To trivialise it with what basically amounts to “I’m not scared, so you should man up’ is a massive part of the problem. I’ve been shocked some of the stories I’ve heard in the last few days. And the answer cannot be that women need to be chaperoned, get home before its dark, or grow a pair. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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