The Fun Factory Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Seems a long wait for this one and its on Monday night as well. Two weeks to stew on the Palace game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Can't wait to get robbed by corrupt officials again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Yup I agree with many of you, home form has to keep us up. Everton and Wham are similar teams so if we can have a good atmosphere like our last home match we can win. A draw is ok too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 hours ago, terrytini said: Any time we get a point we should be happy. Home to Brighton, Sheffield United, Norwich or Newcastle? We need to be winning some of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Home to Brighton, Sheffield United, Norwich or Newcastle? We need to be winning some of those games. No, we don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, terrytini said: No, we don’t. How are we getting to 40 points then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, terrytini said: No, we don’t. We probably do mate. These are the 6 pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: How are we getting to 40 points then? Because we need to Win 10/12 games. Irrelevant who it is against, and whether it’s Home or Away. The idea that there are some Teams we “ must” beat is just wrong. As is the idea that it matters when we beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, terrytini said: Because we need to Win 10/12 games. Irrelevant who it is against, and whether it’s Home or Away. The idea that there are some Teams we “ must” beat is just wrong. As is the idea that it matters when we beat them. We might get the odd win against top 6/7 teams like Everton but to expect to beat them regularly is a bit optimistic. Beating 6-7 of the bottom half is how teams generally stay up particularly with the home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: We probably do mate. These are the 6 pointers. No, we don’t, and they aren’t. There are 14 Teams battling to stay up. By January it might be 12. But nobody knows which ones. A couple of Wins will separate somewhere like 10 Clubs. For all we know, Bournemouth could end up 8th.....is that a 6 pointer ? I will agree with anyone who says we need 10/12 Wins. But against who ? Must Win ? Ought to beat ? Etc ? Nah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, terrytini said: No, we don’t, and they aren’t. There are 14 Teams battling to stay up. By January it might be 12. But nobody knows which ones. A couple of Wins will separate somewhere like 10 Clubs. For all we know, Bournemouth could end up 8th.....is that a 6 pointer ? I will agree with anyone who says we need 10/12 Wins. But against who ? Must Win ? Ought to beat ? Etc ? Nah.... I’ll be shocked if those 4 teams aren’t in the mix for relegation come the last few games of the season. Only time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: We might get the odd win against top 6/7 teams like Everton but to expect to beat them regularly is a bit optimistic. Beating 6-7 of the bottom half is how teams generally stay up particularly with the home games. We don’t need to beat them regularly, nor anyone else. We need to Win 1 in 4 games. 6/7 “ bottom half” teams ? Nobody knows who they are ! 2 Wins could separate 10 Clubs. Of course we need Wins but this idea that there are games we “ should” or “ ought” or “ must” Win is simply wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’ll be shocked if those 4 teams aren’t in the mix for relegation come the last few games of the season. Only time will tell... That is my point. I never understand the pessimistic speculation. Sometimes it’s as if people don’t actually watch football. There are literally countless examples where teams lose games against “ lesser” teams, Win against “ better” teams, lose 6 in a row then come good, start great then fall away, get more points away than at home, etc etc etc. It baffles me why some would actually BEGIN by not only trying to predict what’s needed, but against who, when, and what the consequences would be if not. After the Stoke game last Season I posted that it was perfectly possible to get in the Play Offs. Many thought it wasn’t. Youd think Villa fans of all people will have learnt to wait and see, and not prejudge. For 6 months many said Leeds were certainties. We could have 5 Wins by Christmas and still comfortably stay up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) We need to trying to win most games, only a few should we be looking for a draw, can't just keep writing games off saying it's alright we only need to win one in four, with that attitude we'd finish comfortably bottom of the table. Besides whilst come the end of the season if we survive then it will be a season well done, but whilst we're in the midst of it, we should be aiming for more than just survival, we've probably got a better chance of avoiding relegation if we aim high and set ourselves a target of finishing top half, rather than aiming to just about survive. Edited September 1, 2019 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, terrytini said: We don’t need to beat them regularly, nor anyone else. We need to Win 1 in 4 games. 6/7 “ bottom half” teams ? Nobody knows who they are ! 2 Wins could separate 10 Clubs. Of course we need Wins but this idea that there are games we “ should” or “ ought” or “ must” Win is simply wrong. Well they're not going to be Man. City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester, Everton, West Ham, Man. United or Chelsea if that helps. Those 9 are still very likely to be in top half in whatever order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Well they're not going to be Man. City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester, Everton, West Ham, Man. United or Chelsea if that helps. Those 9 are still very likely to be in top half in whatever order. Agree, with “ very likely” ( not certain) and “top half”. A much more realistic statement than where we started in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, useless said: We need to trying to win most games, only a few should we be looking for a draw, can't just keep writing games off saying it's alright we only need to win one in four, with that attitude we'd finish comfortably bottom of the table. Besides whilst come the end of the season if we survive then it will be a season well done, but whilst we're in the midst of it, we should be aiming for more than just survival, we've probably got a better chance of avoiding relegation if we aim high and set ourselves a target of finishing top half, rather than aiming to just about survive. Trying/ aiming for/ aim high/ set ourselves target/rather than aiming to survive,... Completely agree. A much more realistic statement than where we started I knew it was worth sacrificing an hour or so to shift perspectives a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, terrytini said: Because we need to Win 10/12 games. Nine wins, nine draws. I think that'd do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Nine wins, nine draws. I think that'd do it. Does that include Everton win? 38 points always felt safe to me in the bleak Lambert years. Think we also stayed up on that under Sherwood. As long as your GD isn't horrific you'd be pretty unlucky to go down on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Does that include Everton win? Nope. I think 36 will give you a decent chance this season. Only one team in the last six years has gone down having reached 36 points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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