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2 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

Genuinely think there is more chance of us doing a Leicester than a Fulham. 

I'll get your username tattooed on my arse if we do. Definitely more chance of a Fulham. Not because we are crap, but because there will be a massive period to settle in - and we haven't played decent opposition yet.

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A woman Talksport presenter this morning mentioned us "doing a Fulham" again for like the hundredth time....enough already!

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1 minute ago, avfcDJ said:

I'll get your username tattooed on my arse if we do. Definitely more chance of a Fulham. Not because we are crap, but because there will be a massive period to settle in - and we haven't played decent opposition yet.

You realise Leicester went up and finished 14th?

I think there's every chance you'll be getting a tattoo.

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1 minute ago, kurtsimonw said:

You realise Leicester went up and finished 14th?

I think there's every chance you'll be getting a tattoo.

Think he meant winning the league, no chance of that. 

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I don't think we are doing a Fulham here.

We are doing something completely unheard of, it's Fulham on steroids if anything.

A newly promoted Man City if anything.

Not something to be proud of, we just had to as we had no squad left going into this season.

we happen to have filthy rich owners who can bankroll this absurd spending, if we hadn't we'd had have to beg borrow and steal, but we'd still have to sign a whole new squad.

Fulham wish they'd have done a Villa.

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1 hour ago, villalad21 said:

We might end up doing a Fulham and we might not. Only time will tell.

Buying 10 + players in one window is never ideal. It's alot of change in a short space of time and a lot of new boys needs to settle fast.

Even if we go down, we won't have "done a Fulham".

We've done loads of business early in the transfer window, and we've built around our core of Mings, Grealish, and McGinn. Every single signing we've made has been to fill a gap or to upgrade on a player who obviously wasn't Premier League quality.

Fulham did loads of panic business on deadline day, signed known trouble makers (Mitrovic) and perennial underachievers (Shurrle, Babel), and then sacked their manager in November.

Most of our new signings are players the manager has worked with before (Mings, Hause, El Ghazi, Jota, Konsa). Targett and Heaton both have Premier League experience.

We might be shit, and we might come 19th or 20th, but whatever happens, we won't do a Fulham.

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39 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

Same here, Like it or not there is a slight element of us doing the same as them. Sure we needed a whole new team/squad but there are massive risks that go with that, especially at this level where there are plenty of teams capable of giving you (& each other) an absolute hiding. We could actually start against Spurs with only 3 players that have ever even played a competitive game for us

By doing the same as them do you mean getting relegated? If so, we'd be one of 8 or so teams under that same threat. 3 teams get relegated every year. Only thing that makes Fulham unique, if you could even call them that, is that they spent a lot of money. They had their reasons, and we have ours. We're not doing a Fulham.

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1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said:

If we go down, it won’t be because we’ve ‘done a fulham’, it will be because our scouting team didn’t do their homework properly. 

No. It's because KentVillan started this thread.

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21 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Fulham spent millions on players who never played with each other, never worked with the manager; half of which, on deadline day.

 

Unnecessarily too. Betinelli was on the cusp of an England call-up and more than good enough to be their starting keeper for example. What did they do? Sign 2 Spanish keepers to play ahead of him.

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7 minutes ago, AVTuco said:

No. It's because KentVillan started this thread.

Fortune favours the brave

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It's a very lazy comparison, and any pundit who uses the comparison should take some time to brush up on their knowledge. It's lazy shorthand for 'a newly promoted team spending alot of money', but plays into a narrative of failure. 

It's indicative of the shocking level of analysis and punditry that mainstream media outlets put out there. Are we going to say that Man City are 'doing a Liverpool' if they win the Champions League this season? 

Due to poor management over many years at the end of last season we had an old squad who were paid far too much money. There was always going to be a high turnover of players this pre season. However Villa have also invested a significant amount of money in the squad. It's an interesting story, undoubtedly it will raise a few eyebrows. 

Unfortunately many pundits know so little of football outside of England that any player that hasn't played in the Premier League is considered an unknown quantity and a 'risk'. Which is something I've always found amusing. 'Premier League experience' nonsense. We've signed lots of players that have never played in the Premier League, so clowns like Allardyce ("If my name were Allerdinho, I'd be Barcelona manager") think we've loaded up football manager and YouTube and clicked around randomly until the signings have completed. 

For probably the first time ever, we as fans can understand the rationale behind each and every signing. Although our model isn't complete, we can see in the way that we try to play that we are looking for certain qualities in players. Central defenders with confidence on the ball, midfielders with a good engine and good technique, wide players with variation in their play (not just nippy wingers and crossers) etc.  Underpinning these footballing qualities are the personal qualities that we are now looking for in players. The importance of players that take ownership of their development, that work for the team and want to improve. And alongside the footballing and personal qualities of the players, the recruitment makes sense on a business level. Younger players with resale value or who's value will increase. 

I don't really know that much about what Fulham did last season, I know they brought in a few big names with "Premier League experience" and it didn't work out for them. Lazy pundits will put it down to 'they didn't gel' or 'too much change'. But from what I could see their recruitment only made sense on a surface level. There didn't seem to be a cohesive strategy in place that  looked beyond the next 12 months. 

But meh, this isn't really about Fulham, it's about Villa and I think we've done a pretty job. Without a ball being kicked in anger that opinion is based on what I can piece together from what I've hear about players, what I know about Smith and what I've heard from Purslow. I'm confident we won't 'do a Fulham', if 'doing a Fulham' means getting relegated. 

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If Fulham had done what they did 6 years ago nobody would be mentioning them but as it was last season, They got promoted, signed loads of players and had an awful season you can see why people are making an easy comparison. Circumstances/necessity are different but you can guarantee that very few people who follow/write/talk about the premier league have a clue what happened to anyone in the championship . They will just see 3 different teams every year and not have a clue that some of them have had 15+ players leave that need replacing. Hell there will be plenty of people who have started watching football over the past 2/3 years that wouldn't even know that we existed at all until they saw a new name on the fixture list

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Just now, LakotaDakota said:

If Fulham had done what they did 6 years ago nobody would be mentioning them but as it was last season, They got promoted, signed loads of players and had an awful season you can see why people are making an easy comparison. Circumstances/necessity are different but you can guarantee that very few people who follow/write/talk about the premier league have a clue what happened to anyone in the championship . They will just see 3 different teams every year and not have a clue that some of them have had 15+ players leave that need replacing

The point is, pundits are paid to know about these things.

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11 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

The point is, pundits are paid to know about these things.

Not really, Outside of the BBC they are paid to talk about things that will generate calls, tweets, word of mouth & advertising.

They are pundits, not analysts/experts. The analysis predicted us to finish 15th.

Out of all of the pundits on tv/radio/newspapers etc i'm sure you would stuggle to fill a mini-bus with the ones that could have even picked an 11 of players made up from Us, Norwich & Sheff utd combined

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40 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

1) Fulham spent millions on players who never played with each other, 2) never worked with the manager; 3) half of which, on deadline day.

 

1) so have we.  

2) so have we. 

3) this is simply not true. 

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Promoted teams have to sign players to have any real chance of staying up. The trick is to sign the right players. Fulham didn’t, l believe we have. Lazy journalism.

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The most annoying thing about the 'doing a Fulham' thing is it's not like we've got much choice about it is there? Had we not been very busy in the market we wouldn't have a team let alone a squad - the squad last year was propped up with loans and experienced heads in the final year of their contract. We've HAD to 'do a Fulham'.

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