Rodders Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MaVilla said: sorry, i disagree. we would "possibly" be offering an extra 5m (so 20m), for a player that if he performed could be worth 40, 50 or even 60, 70m after a good season or two. Thats totally different to Manure paying 80m or 85m for someone like Maguire because Leicester knew they had money. Overpaying stupidly is one thing, paying a little more in a set of circumstances or set scenario that could turn out to be a brilliant deal if it works out, are just not the same thing, at all. Now, if we wanted to pay 25m for a striker who is 28, and we ended up paying 50m because "Villa Money", but there was little to no chance of it being a long term benefit to us, or resale, or it working, or whatever, thats a completely different scenario again. So my point is, each scenario is different, and should be judged on merit, and in the Benrahma situation, if we wanted to pay 15m, and they wanted 20m, thats a deal at 20m that would highly likely be highly beneficial to us in the short to medium term. but it still means / makes more likely that all subsequent transfers are given this treatment by any selling clubs, who all then go and get just another 5m here, 5m there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brummybloke Posted August 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rodders said: but it still means / makes more likely that all subsequent transfers are given this treatment by any selling clubs, who all then go and get just another 5m here, 5m there. Yep, that's 25% more hypothetically than we wanted to pay. Cant run a club over paying 25% 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MaVilla said: sorry, i disagree. we would "possibly" be offering an extra 5m (so 20m), for a player that if he performed could be worth 40, 50 or even 60, 70m after a good season or two. Thats totally different to Manure paying 80m or 85m for someone like Maguire because Leicester knew they had money. Overpaying stupidly is one thing, paying a little more in a set of circumstances or set scenario that could turn out to be a brilliant deal if it works out, are just not the same thing, at all. Now, if we wanted to pay 25m for a striker who is 28, and we ended up paying 50m because "Villa Money", but there was little to no chance of it being a long term benefit to us, or resale, or it working, or whatever, thats a completely different scenario again. So my point is, each scenario is different, and should be judged on merit, and in the Benrahma situation, if we wanted to pay 15m, and they wanted 20m, thats a deal at 20m that would highly likely be highly beneficial to us in the short to medium term. You are now talking hypotheticals just when it suits you. It's just as likely Behnrama would be worth less due to not holding the required level or having injury problems like he just had surgery for. McGuire could be the difference between CL or not for Man Utd. Ultimately all clubs decide what economic risk they are willing to take. Villa just came from looking administration in the face, spent £130 million this summer. It's obvious we need to develop a more sustainable approach to buying, developing and selling players. We wanna buy £2 for £1, and the league needs to know we're no pushovers in negotiations. I am sure our leadership has been impressed at Levy and Spurs for instance. Benrahma is likely considered a depth/rotation purchase on equal level with the three wingers we got. Thus they probably don't think he will make the difference to us staying up or not. If they did he'd already be signed. Edited August 8, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Would have just paid the 5m extra tbh.... Thanks Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, MaVilla said: sorry, i disagree. we would "possibly" be offering an extra 5m (so 20m), for a player that if he performed could be worth 40, 50 or even 60, 70m after a good season or two. Thats totally different to Manure paying 80m or 85m for someone like Maguire because Leicester knew they had money. Overpaying stupidly is one thing, paying a little more in a set of circumstances or set scenario that could turn out to be a brilliant deal if it works out, are just not the same thing, at all. This 'contrast' isn't a contrast. You are assuming that Maguire will be a bad signing, and that Benrahma would have been a good one, but it could just as easily be the other way round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Now we're not signing him, might as well continue the tangent. I actually think Maguire will be a great signing for Utd. Did anyone really think Van Dijk was that good when he played for Southampton? No way I thought he was a £75m player - they took a calculated risk on him stepping up playing with better players and being managed by Klopp and he did it admirably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This 'contrast' isn't a contrast. You are assuming that Maguire will be a bad signing, and that Benrahma would have been a good one, but it could just as easily be the other way round. im not assuming anything, i was just giving examples. i dont really care if everyone thinks we should have only paid 15m for Benrahma and not 20m, in the end we didnt, so you guys will be happy. Personally, i would have paid 20m, because i personally think he's worth it, thats it really, its just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, brummybloke said: Yep, that's 25% more hypothetically than we wanted to pay. Cant run a club over paying 25% 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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privateer Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 ^ BTW, I was **** kidding, alright?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 If he was worth 25 mill now he must be worth 50 mill in January if we are desperate and come knocking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, AshVilla said: If he was worth 25 mill now he must be worth 50 mill in January if we are desperate and come knocking again. But he wasn't worth £25 million, which is why he still plays football at Brentford. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: sorry, i disagree. we would "possibly" be offering an extra 5m (so 20m), for a player that if he performed could be worth 40, 50 or even 60, 70m after a good season or two. Thats totally different to Manure paying 80m or 85m for someone like Maguire because Leicester knew they had money. Overpaying stupidly is one thing, paying a little more in a set of circumstances or set scenario that could turn out to be a brilliant deal if it works out, are just not the same thing, at all. Now, if we wanted to pay 25m for a striker who is 28, and we ended up paying 50m because "Villa Money", but there was little to no chance of it being a long term benefit to us, or resale, or it working, or whatever, thats a completely different scenario again. So my point is, each scenario is different, and should be judged on merit, and in the Benrahma situation, if we wanted to pay 15m, and they wanted 20m, thats a deal at 20m that would highly likely be highly beneficial to us in the short to medium term. Those little bits add up. If clubs know they can just wang an extra £5m on top of a players valuation and we will pay it, they will wang an extra £5m on EVERY player we go in for. It's got nothing to do with the player. They wanted more than our valuation, which is entirely their prerogative also, and we said no, simple as that. It doesn't matter what you think he is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) Just to clarify - if I think Benraham is worth £25m then sure, let's go for it. Which I do. If the club don't, and word gets out that we paid it anyway, then that's an entirely different matter. They have to stick to their guns, for the sake of future progression. Edited August 8, 2019 by dont_do_it_doug. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Bit disappointed he isn't ours but £25m is a lot compared to what we paid for El Ghazi and Trez, who have a better history (to date) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2019 This is going to be like watching the fit bird that's been flirting with you all night being whisked off by her uncle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Nigel said: This is going to be like watching the fit bird that's been flirting with you all night being whisked off by her uncle! Sounds like a weird party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 5 hours ago, jonjon said: 3 years Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I trust the management. We can revisit this in January if injuries hit or if Trez struggles to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 This lad could turn out to be a great player or totally forgotten by January. These moments in a player’s career can be fleeting and if not taken may never return. For me the telling thing is that I don’t recall anyone else seriously after him. We were purely bidding against Brentford’s valuation, only they believed he was worth £25m or whatever, otherwise he would have been sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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