Tayls Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: That rule where if it hits the ref the team gets a free kick is a bit of a stupid rule. I can see teams taking advantage of that I can't see players pelting the ball at the referee's face on purpose to get a free kick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Bamford who received a two match ban for simulation? This very particular act seems incredibly far fetched. But if there was no review after the game he would have got away with it and played in PL. That's what s I'm saying refs miss/make mistakes. It does seem far fetched but let's wait and see someone will use this rule to their advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tayls said: I can't see players pelting the ball at the referee's face on purpose to get a free kick... U don't have to.where does if say 'pelt in the face'? It says 'touches ref' you can misplace a pass it could scrape the ref then it's a free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: U don't have to.where does if say 'pelt in the face'? It says 'touches ref' you can misplace a pass it could scrape the ref then it's a free kick That bit was just an exaggeration. You said players will take advantage of this new rule - basically, what I am saying is, I think the referee will know if players are kicking the ball at him, so they can get a free kick.. Edited July 17, 2019 by Tayls added extra bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Tayls said: That bit was just an exaggeration. Basically, what I am saying is, I think the referee will know if players are kicking the ball at him, so they can get a free kick.. Logically yes but it's very difficult to know 100% unless as you said earlier it's a pelt in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: That rule where if it hits the ref the team gets a free kick is a bit of a stupid rule. I can see teams taking advantage of that That rule makes sense to me. The ball only ever really hits the ref when the ref is rightly walking/running in the direction of the play, or if a player plays a shit pass. But either of those instances shouldn't result in the ball just pinging off in any random direction off the ref, so the team that made the pass getting a free kick makes sense. I don't know how teams could use that to their advantage. Unless you're thinking they'd use it to get themselves out of a dangerous position. But the ref is rarely that close to them, that it'll make it easier to play a pinpoint pass to the referee instead of playing that pinpoint pass to a team-mate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But if there was no review after the game he would have got away with it and played in PL. That's what s I'm saying refs miss/make mistakes. It does seem far fetched but let's wait and see someone will use this rule to their advantage There was a review though and he didn't get away with it. You honestly think they're just going to let players get away with such a blatant rule break? Ok, let's wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rob182 said: That rule makes sense to me. The ball only ever really hits the ref when the ref is rightly walking/running in the direction of the play, or if a player plays a shit pass. But either of those instances shouldn't result in the ball just pinging off in any random direction off the ref, so the team that made the pass getting a free kick makes sense. I don't know how teams could use that to their advantage. Unless you're thinking they'd use it to get themselves out of a dangerous position. But the ref is rarely that close to them, that it'll make it easier to play a pinpoint pass to the referee instead of playing that pinpoint pass to a team-mate Exactly. The referee will be able to tell from the passage of play as to whether a player has deliberately kicked a ball at them. I know they're not always up to scratch, but they're not complete morons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Remember when Litmanen scored against us after Schmeichel nailed the ref with his throw out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Changes The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick: The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm) The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations: The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger) Explanation Greater clarity is needed for handball, especially on those occasions when ‘non- d•eliberate’ handball is an offence. The re-wording follows a number of principles: Having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a ‘natural’ position and a player is ‘taking a risk’ by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding If the ball comes off the player’s body, or off another player (of either team) who is•close by, onto the hands/arms it is often impossible to avoid contact with the ball Lol, good luck referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, bobzy said: Lol, good luck referees It gives us a perfect new strategy, for our first season back. 1) Give the ball to Jack 2) Jack to dance into the box 3) Jack flicks the ball up at an opponents hand 4) Penalty 5) Repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 im sure they've changed the handball rule to if it results in a goal then its handball automatically, intentional or not, not abiding by the rule above either, if your hand is by your side and it hits it and goes in its getting ruled out baggies goal vs us last year would be ruled out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, bobzy said: Changes The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick: The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm) The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations: The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger) Explanation Greater clarity is needed for handball, especially on those occasions when ‘non- d•eliberate’ handball is an offence. The re-wording follows a number of principles: Having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a ‘natural’ position and a player is ‘taking a risk’ by having the hand/arm in that position, including when sliding If the ball comes off the player’s body, or off another player (of either team) who is•close by, onto the hands/arms it is often impossible to avoid contact with the ball Lol, good luck referees So it's basically the same rule, just clarified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 17, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 hours ago, villa4europe said: baggies goal vs us last year would be ruled out To be fair to the player, after he'd caught the ball the first time, he did put it down and look a bit sorry like, and then he only handled it into the net once afterwards. You can't criticise refs for allowing such marginal infringements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Surprised no one has mentioned what I think is the biggest change after VAR introduction.. When teams are on the same number of points the positions will now be decided on head to head results including away goal rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowlersrs Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 I'm glad they're potentially showing VAR kn big screens.. it's good system especially If the fans get to see the incident too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Junxs said: Surprised no one has mentioned what I think is the biggest change after VAR introduction.. When teams are on the same number of points the positions will now be decided on head to head results including away goal rule. Spanish rules Surprised they haven't introduced a playoff game if it meant something (which I think the Italians do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 Not a lot I disagree with in the new rules. The substitute one though, I still think is the wrong solution. They should just let play carry on when a sub is being made. Player still can’t come on until the other player has left the field. That would soon stop the time wasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Not a lot I disagree with in the new rules. The substitute one though, I still think is the wrong solution. They should just let play carry on when a sub is being made. Player still can’t come on until the other player has left the field. That would soon stop the time wasting. Agreed. Same with treatments. Play on until a natural stoppage IMO, stops diving and time wasting tactics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Agreed. Same with treatments. Play on until a natural stoppage IMO, stops diving and time wasting tactics. Exactly. Teams can still wait until then all goes out of play to make the sub so they don’t lose out, but the players would be legging it off the pitch if there was no obligation for the game to stop while it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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