KenjiOgiwara Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nigel said: Say it is 30 million, leeds want that for Phillip's now; that's a championship player. The price of players will only go up, so relatively are we going to be better off? It's a loan, pure and simple, only with the added downside that if he's not all that we are lumbered. It just surprises me that the powers would agree to this, if it's true of course. I get your point, but if we make a decent amount of money on the deal and it secures us PL football for another year, and at that point we can revision the DMC position? I kinda agree with you, but I feel for Deano to some extent cause he has so much work to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 One of the positive of the buy back is that City I cant imagine would loan him to any club, maybe they see us as the closest in style to the other PL teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: If a player is signed within the top 15% (i think) of their record transfers then they get points towards getting a work permit. Obviously City's record is a lot higher than ours. Here's something I read on another site. A lot of the points in the appeals system are based on your importance to the club you join.The biggest difference maker will be his wages. Here are the possible points a player can get -3pts - Fee is in the top 25% of all PL transfers this summer.2pts - Fee is in the top 50% of all PL transfers this summer.3pts - The wages are in the top 25% at the club.2pts - The wages are in the top 50% at the club.1pt - The players current club is in a top league and he played 30% or more games.1pt - the players current club is in European competition and played 30% of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Take the Mariano Diaz deal for example. Real sold him to Lyon for about £8m, he was a massive hit so when other clubs got interested they bought him back the following season for a set price of something like £23m (Real owned a % of him so it would have been a bit more otherwise) They are now looking to sell him again... Not sure about the details but Deulofeu had a similar thing going with Barcelona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nigel said: Say it is 30 million, leeds want that for Phillip's now; that's a championship player. The price of players will only go up, so relatively are we going to be better off? It's a loan, pure and simple, only with the added downside that if he's not all that we are lumbered. It just surprises me that the powers would agree to this, if it's true of course. i've never known a loan deal where the parent club has to pay a substantial fee for them to return. it's a transfer...he's our player until city decide to pay twice (probably) what they sold him for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I get your point, but if we make a decent amount of money on the deal and it secures us PL football for another year, and at that point we can revision the DMC position? I kinda agree with you, but I feel for Deano to some extent cause he has so much work to do. I guess we could add that if this helps us play the attractive football we want to play then we might benefit of being seen as a good football club to join by future potential targets. maybe slightly far-fetched, but hey why not?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just now, sne said: Take the Mariano Diaz deal for example. Real sold him to Lyon for about £8m, he was a massive hit so when other clubs got interested they bought him back the following season for a set price of something like £23m (Real owned a % of him so it would have been a bit more otherwise) They are now looking to sell him again... Not sure about the details but Deulofeu had a similar thing going with Barcelona It happens quite a lot, and it will happen an awful lot more now to get around the loan cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Also on the price for Phillips - if in another year, Leeds don't go up - it's hardly a certainty - he has one less year on his contract, and more desire to leave so his price is more likely to drop if anything. There's no guarantee Man City buy him back either - they operate at a level where if need be they will go and buy someone else for more immediate needs who then end up taking the place of say Luiz after all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rodders said: Also on the price for Phillips - if in another year, Leeds don't go up - it's hardly a certainty - he has one less year on his contract, and more desire to leave so his price is more likely to drop if anything. He will probably sign a new contract, same as jack did. A big hope here that he insists on a clause but would we lead the chase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Maybe Purslow is going to pull a fast one when they come to buy him back.. "£20m? Did you not see the additional '0' on the next page.... The price is £200m Pep" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I'm optimistic about this deal. He'll have to play incredibly well to get into City's team any time soon - and because it's not a loan there's no time limit on it. Chances are City won't be in a rush to bring him back in - I actually think they'll buy a marquee replacement for Fernandinho pretty soon, but Pep liking Douglas means there's more chance he'll be allowed to stay with us to develop rather than them buying him back to make a profit on him. It also means Leeds can GTF with their £30m valuation of Phillips and will have to now flog Roofe and a few others to meet FFP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted July 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2019 Man City have just signed Rodri for massive money to be their Fernandinho replacement. This buy back may just be some insurance for them in case that doesn't work out. As good as this Luiz guy looks he's unlikely to ever get regular game time at City until Fernandinho retires, and by then they'll have likely bought a couple more big money midfielders, they are just hedging their bets, Barca and Real do it all the time but it's not all that often they actual use these clauses. From City's point of view they've got a player they can't play who likely won't make their first team, so why not get some cash in for them to at least pretend they trying to balance the books and if he turns out to be Messi/Ronaldo level then they have an easy pathway to getting him back. In truth what's more likely is they will move him on to us and then find a new shiny thing to throw their money at and forget all about him. Would we rather the clause not be in the deal? Of course. Would we be able to sign him without the clause? Probably not. I don't like being at the whim of the Man City machine, but I do like having very good players at Aston Villa. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post holtend4life Posted July 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2019 The buy back is not really an issue for me, we wouldn’t get a player of this (apparent) calibre into the club otherwise, and if he is a success and we stay up because his performances helped that, we’ll profit on another year of premier league money and have a great indication of what kind of player we need going forward to fill that position. And getting paid a nominal at the same time for it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I go to bed and nothing is happening, I wake up and we are signing a Brazilian from man city? Is this actually happening? Is this real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 Funny enough the one way this will benefit us is if we go down. Then that fixed rate buy back will be bloody useful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Zatman said: the buy back is a bit worrying for me unless we can set the price. Why is it worrying? What's the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: I'm optimistic about this deal. He'll have to play incredibly well to get into City's team any time soon - and because it's not a loan there's no time limit on it. Chances are City won't be in a rush to bring him back in - I actually think they'll buy a marquee replacement for Fernandinho pretty soon, but Pep liking Douglas means there's more chance he'll be allowed to stay with us to develop rather than them buying him back to make a profit on him. It also means Leeds can GTF with their £30m valuation of Phillips and will have to now flog Roofe and a few others to meet FFP They did buy a replacement for fernandinho, they just signed Rodri for 65m odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I can't imagine we'd accept a deal that is effectively a loan, but one that costs us £15m of our summer transfer budget. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Looks good doesn't he. Absolute nuisance in the tackle and doesn't shit himself at the prospect of passing the ball forward. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: Funny enough the one way this will benefit us is if we go down. Then that fixed rate buy back will be bloody useful! Bit concerning though as they had that with a full back that they sold to a Dutch club, they just activated the buy back this summer. The concern is he does well he would be a 50m+ player, if we sign him for 25 and the buy back is.... ..30? Edited July 12, 2019 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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