TRO Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Think it's been clear since at least Christmas, that as our form and Dougie's has worsened, and City's has gone through the roof, that we're not in much danger of losing him to them. It's a sign of how well he was doing earlier in the season that it was even a question, but if we're honest he's a couple of levels below what they're interested in. Precisely.....To be honest, he is a level below, what I am interested in. Edited April 26, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 He's young and got potential so could yet reach a higher ceiling. I think we should be patient with him. Will need better competition however. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, osmark86 said: He's young and got potential so could yet reach a higher ceiling. I think we should be patient with him. Will need better competition however. Yeah, If we can get him on a new contract and the transfer clause has expired we should be patient with him. Cost 15m is only 22 and a current brazil international. Overall though players like this are crucial to us moving forward as a club, even if he doesn't work out he will be worth more than what we paid for him when it comes to a sale. His early season form and post restart form shows there's a real player there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, osmark86 said: He's young and got potential so could yet reach a higher ceiling. I think we should be patient with him. Will need better competition however. Yes, I agree with this. People are being much too quick to write him off. As we've seen with Konsa, a young player in their early 20s who has lots of first-team game time under their belt can be a real asset, because they've got time and room for improvement but aren't overwhelmed by the step to senior football. There's a difference between 'Luiz isn't a good player' and 'Luiz in a 2 with McGinn isn't working at the moment'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I thought Luiz was good yesterday, spread the play well, nicked the ball a few times too... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dale said: I thought Luiz was good yesterday, spread the play well, nicked the ball a few times too... Same. I feel that the problem with him and McGinn in a two isn't Luiz. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) In terms of comparison between this season and last, Luiz has been our worst player and by some distance. He has lost at least 20% of his pace, his distribution is too often sloppy and he's forgotten how to shoot or even what a shot is. I wouldn't fear losing him to City, indeed I would absolutely rip the arm off anybody who offers decent money for him as I think he is holding us back in midfield and we can and need to do so much better in there. Edited April 26, 2021 by Paul33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Paul33 said: In terms of comparison between this season and last, Luiz has been our worst player and by some distance. He has lost at least 20% of his pace, his distribution is too often sloppy and he's forgotten how to shoot or even what a shot is. I wouldn't fear losing him to City, indeed I would absolutely rip the arm off anybody who offers decent money for him as I think he is holding us back in midfield and we can and need to do so much better in there. Fair play but I wouldn't sell him just yet. I think he has a much higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, osmark86 said: Fair play but I wouldn't sell him just yet. I think he has a much higher ceiling. I think his ceiling is midtable tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Laughable Chimp said: I think his ceiling is midtable tbh. He's still so young and he has great technique so I'm not so sure. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 He's at an age where he should be steadily improving and he's going the other way which doesn't bode well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Paul33 said: He's at an age where he should be steadily improving and he's going the other way which doesn't bode well for the future. There's no such rule to player progress imo. Look at Vardy for example. I think we will see at the end of next season if he will cut it or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, osmark86 said: Fair play but I wouldn't sell him just yet. I think he has a much higher ceiling. yep, Fernandinho at 22 was playing in Ukraine, Casemiro was struggling at Porto. Jordan Henderson was a laughing stock at Liverpool and Fabinho was an average right back at Monaco 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Zatman said: yep, Fernandinho at 22 was playing in Ukraine, Casemiro was struggling at Porto. Jordan Henderson was a laughing stock at Liverpool and Fabinho was an average right back at Monaco Kante was playing in the French 3rd tier at 22. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Paul33 said: He's at an age where he should be steadily improving and he's going the other way which doesn't bode well for the future. He's having a bad run of form in a side which is collectively having a bad run of form. Saying he's going the other way is a stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, WooJung said: He's having a bad run of form in a side which is collectively having a bad run of form. Saying he's going the other way is a stretch There seems to be this thing at the moment where fans just expect everything to shoot up and never dip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Agree with the view that Dougie's form has dropped off. I don't agree with people writing off a 22-year-old centre mid as not good enough or mid table at best. Haven't we learnt our lesson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Unsung hero today. He controlled the game. For AEG's goal he started it with another interception. Brilliant today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Played well. Got his customary yellow card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Was my motm behind Walkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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