brummybloke Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Man City rate him highly and are only selling him to us to get around the work permit issue. The buyback will likely be for 15m, they will come back and collect him when they feel he’s ready to play for them. I would have thought the buy back option would be when we decide to sell otherwise it's pointless as we could ( we wont) be top come new year and hes playing out of this world. Man city could just buy him back off us to spoil our season. And that's if there's a buy back which isnt confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Man City rate him highly and are only selling him to us to get around the work permit issue. The buyback will likely be for 15m, they will come back and collect him when they feel he’s ready to play for them. Yeah I think around 20. People mention the risk is on Villa and he might be rubbish or get injured. The way City rate this guy, there is no risk at 15 mill for Villa. Realistically it probably is a 50-60mill player and its cities way to get him a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, brummybloke said: I would have thought the buy back option would be when we decide to sell otherwise it's pointless as we could ( we wont) be top come new year and hes playing out of this world. Man city could just buy him back off us to spoil our season. And that's if there's a buy back which isnt confirmed Would be amazed if there wasn't, look at Guardiola's comments about him. It's very standard in europe, pretty sure Barcelona have a buy back clause on pretty much every young player they sell. Dosen't mean they'll always re-sign the player as depends on what squad or manager is in place and what they want. Think Barca had a buy back on Adama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, MaVilla said: i was hoping this would be announced tonight Unless the whole paperwork process for a work permit was started days ago, it could be a little while yet. If Football Manager has taught me anything, it's that work permits can take up to a week or two. Unless it's the final day of the transfer window for whatever reason Edited July 12, 2019 by PieFacE 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 The devils in the detail, but let's not pretend we wouldn't be inflating cities asset here. Without him going on loan to someone he's worthless to them. Buy back clause has to be very high or related to his future value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Would be amazed if there wasn't, look at Guardiola's comments about him. It's very standard in europe, pretty sure Barcelona have a buy back clause on pretty much every young player they sell. Dosen't mean they'll always re-sign the player as depends on what squad or manager is in place and what they want. Think Barca had a buy back on Adama. I think they did but 90% of Spanish players have release clauses for transfers. The work permit I thought was now ok because he has played in another European team for 2 years ? How does us buying him help them get round the work permit if we can already ? I'm sure man city especially with the new loan rules would just buy whoever's the best player rather than keep hoping the younger players they bought will step up ? All theoretical until it's all confirmed though obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, tinker said: The devils in the detail, but let's not pretend we wouldn't be inflating cities asset here. Without him going on loan to someone he's worthless to them. Buy back clause has to be very high or related to his future value. He's been loaned out to City "sister" club that they half own. They're not making money on him going on loan unless they paying themselves their own money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, brummybloke said: I think they did but 90% of Spanish players have release clauses for transfers. The work permit I thought was now ok because he has played in another European team for 2 years ? How does us buying him help them get round the work permit if we can already ? I'm sure man city especially with the new loan rules would just buy whoever's the best player rather than keep hoping the younger players they bought will step up ? All theoretical until it's all confirmed though obviously We get extra work permit points because size of transfer and wages relative to our club. 15 million in our top 10% of transfer deals worth points where that doesn't work for City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted July 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just now, Kiwivillan said: We get extra work permit points because size of transfer and wages relative to our club. 15 million in our top 10% of transfer deals worth points where that doesn't work for City 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, brummybloke said: I would have thought the buy back option would be when we decide to sell otherwise it's pointless as we could ( we wont) be top come new year and hes playing out of this world. Man city could just buy him back off us to spoil our season. And that's if there's a buy back which isnt confirmed Agreed, we’re all just speculating. Like any deal something will have been agreed that works for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: We get extra work permit points because size of transfer and wages relative to our club. 15 million in our top 10% of transfer deals worth points where that doesn't work for City Yep I understand that but I thought we could get him because he has played in a first team in Europe for 2 years. Man city are in England, I thought that rule was for buying from a different country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KMitch Posted July 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2019 What I've learned in 23 pages: This kid is highly rated and Pep wanted him to be in his squad last season This kid is garbage because he didn't do very good statistically in La Liga last season and his team was relegated, even with him in it This is a fantastic deal, because Man City can't get a work permit but we can This is a terrible deal because Man City have a buy-back clause, which basically means this is a loan to us with no risk on Man City's part Everyone is excited by this kid who is supposedly a worldbeater, but in reality nobody heard of him 2 days ago. Everyone knew about him except me, because he's some beast in Fifa Football Pro Manager 2017 I love Villa Talk!!! hahaha 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) I think it’s good we are doing this kind of business with City. No harm in having a good working relationship with such a club. Whether we like it not they are the richest club in the world and probably the best at the moment in terms of footballing ability too. They should have won the quadruple really. Edit: In a few years we can think about challenging them! Edited July 12, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Spoony said: A bit cautious about this one. I doubt he wants to be here and we are just playing the role of one of City’s many feeder clubs. As others have said, this looks like a glorified loan but if City want him back it means he’s done well. Hardly building for the future though is it... As Tammy and Tyrone have proved.....players with the right mentality will see this as an opportunity to shine, like they did. If Douglas has the right mentality, we have nothing to worry about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Arghh there are no such thing as work permits. He needs to apply for a Tier 2 Sportsperson visa if the contract length is more than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, brummybloke said: Yep I understand that but I thought we could get him because he has played in a first team in Europe for 2 years. Man city are in England, I thought that rule was for buying from a different country ? I believe playing regularly in La Liga only gives one point towards the work permit. He really needs 5 points which will mainly be made up for us by his transfer fee and wages being close to our all time records, both of which will be nowhere near City's. City's main hope is for him to play over a third of Brazil's matches if they want to buy him back from us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I believe playing regularly in La Liga only gives one point towards the work permit. He really needs 5 points which will mainly be made up for us by his transfer fee and wages being close to our all time records, both of which will be nowhere near City's. City's main hope is for him to play over a third of Brazil's matches if they want to buy him back from us. Or buy him back with a sizeable fee and as part of that purchase increase his wages vastly to mean he gets points for being a) a large purchase and b) a high earner for man city? Edited July 12, 2019 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, supermon said: Arghh there are no such thing as work permits. He needs to apply for a Tier 2 Sportsperson visa if the contract length is more than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted July 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: He's been loaned out to City "sister" club that they half own. They're not making money on him going on loan unless they paying themselves their own money Maybe I haven't been clear. My point is he's not increasing in value playing for their sister club and hes not getting the experience or exposure the premier League gives players . We need to use the premier League to showcase our own talent and add value . Taking loan players or low buy back clauses on players is much the same thing, we are showcasing other teams players at the expense of our own talent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, supermon said: Arghh there are no such thing as work permits. He needs to apply for a Tier 2 Sportsperson visa if the contract length is more than a year. Really? Aka work permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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