Popular Post DJ_Villain Posted October 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2019 Great player... Wicked goal against Norwich... and seeing two Brazilians in Villa shirts doing their Samba dance together was a beautiful sight! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 15 hours ago, thunderball said: The whole problem for City was his work permit. That will remain the case. We managed to get him a work permit based on his circumstances at Villa which are quite different to City’s. We managed it, City didn’t. The only way they will trigger the buy-out point is if he has become a success to the extent that he will be a starter or demand a very high salary - one of the clubs top earners, neither of which are likely given City’s current situation and standing. But if it did arise, it would mean until the window he would our player and likely a very, very good one, so either way we win. If he’s very good for us, great and he likely stays; if he’s one of the best players in Europe he leaves but at a profit and we use him for a while. The only fear is if a foreign team comes in for him and is willing to pay above the trigger. Man City buy him and immediately trade him. This happens (Engels was similar). It’s good business but bad form, unsure if City would play that card. Good post, and I hope you are correct, because City rate Luiz highly. Now they have gone and acquired Rodri to replace Fernandinho, so it makes it less likely that Luiz returns. Initially there was scope and a view for Douglas Luiz to be the understudy to Fernandinho, I watched a City podcast about Luiz. I can't remember the ins and outs of it all, but essentially Pep's brother (or close associate) was influential at Luiz's loan club. They were eager to see him develop. Given the circumstances, it didn't work out the way it had initially been intended and he has moved to us instead, which I'm very pleased with. With Gundogan and Rodri there, it's going to be sporadic inclusion for Luiz if he is to return to City, which doesn't meet the criteria you outline as necessary for him to go back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Tomaszk said: You post this a lot. Can’t praise our club for good business ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Can’t praise our club for good business ? You can. Mix it up a bit though? Maybe compare Engels to Webster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: He does. The player is totally powerless in this situation, and must return to City if they activate the buyback clause. The players association would not stand for that. In the modern era football is about player power and having a glorified release clause is very unlikely to force Luiz to sign for City. Luiz no longer has a contract with City and therefore he is not bound by our contract with City. Luiz can and will decide where ha ays in the future. He may choose to go back to city or he may not but that is is his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Luiz is quality, but I feel he still needs to improve his defensive aspects in order to become a regular. He also needs to get up to speed and start releasing the ball quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Is he in Brazil u21s team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 hours ago, MotoMkali said: The players association would not stand for that. In the modern era football is about player power and having a glorified release clause is very unlikely to force Luiz to sign for City. Luiz no longer has a contract with City and therefore he is not bound by our contract with City. Luiz can and will decide where ha ays in the future. He may choose to go back to city or he may not but that is is his choice. The Players Association have absolutely nothing to do with it. He must go back to City if they activate the clause. That is the purpose of the buy back clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: The Players Association have absolutely nothing to do with it. He must go back to City if they activate the clause. That is the purpose of the buy back clause. The purpose of a buy back clause is so if we get a 60 million pound bid from real. And city want him for their team they get to pay 25 million and offer luiz way more than anyone else would be willing too. The players association has everything to do with it. It is designed to be in players best interests and part of that is no being forced into moves I'm pretty sure that would be a breach of Premier league regulations to force a player into contract with your team. Edited October 10, 2019 by MotoMkali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2019 22 hours ago, MotoMkali said: The players association would not stand for that. In the modern era football is about player power and having a glorified release clause is very unlikely to force Luiz to sign for City. Luiz no longer has a contract with City and therefore he is not bound by our contract with City. Luiz can and will decide where ha ays in the future. He may choose to go back to city or he may not but that is is his choice. At a guess there are potentially protected clauses in his contract with us that he has already agreed to that if City activate the buy back that any contract with us automatically transfers back to City, rather then agreeing a brand new one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted October 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2019 Scored from outside the area again for Brazil u23’s overnight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 He can bloody strike a ball well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 hours ago, turvontour said: Is he in Brazil u21s team? I understood he captained them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 'Luiz from outside the area' is looking like a safe bet lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Get him on set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I really want Luiz in the team at the same time we can't really drop Hourihane or McGinn. Must be a real headache for Smith. Our squad depth in midfield is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: I understood he captained them? Ye, I just saw he was away with Brazil but didn't know which age level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I hope to see Luiz and Nakamba against Liverpool and Man City. Not the type of game for Hourihane. Hourihane is more effective in games we are on the front foot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 11, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2019 Luiz will probably force his way into the team at some stage but for me Hourihane is a few steps further along that path. He offers a little bit more than Luiz at this stage. He helps us sit further up the pitch with his forward runs, plus his not to bad from long distance either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, tinker said: Luiz will probably force his way into the team at some stage but for me Hourihane is a few steps further along that path. He offers a little bit more than Luiz at this stage. He helps us sit further up the pitch with his forward runs, plus his not to bad from long distance either . Only in games where we are dominating (or at least getting our fair share of) possession. Against Liverpool and Citeh, as Villalad21 says, I would expect us to be chasing the ball for long periods of time and, in that scenario, CH has a tendency to become a passenger. I would play Luiz, or even Lansbury, in front of him in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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