sidcow Posted August 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2020 Funnily enough I watched the Arsenal away game last night. Engels was a complete calamity. All over the shop and gave away the dumbest of dumb penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 hours ago, sidcow said: Funnily enough I watched the Arsenal away game last night. Engels was a complete calamity. All over the shop and gave away the dumbest of dumb penalties. for the calamaties you mention, i also think at time he looked very good (earlier in the season), considering he was absent for probably half the season, i do wonder if another 6 months or so might help him adjust and he might end up proving a very good signing? Maybe im being overly hopeful, and i know he made some mistakes, but im also sure i have seen some things from him that make me think he could be a success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, sidcow said: Funnily enough I watched the Arsenal away game last night. Engels was a complete calamity. All over the shop and gave away the dumbest of dumb penalties. Mings wasn't great for the second either. That was when Guendouzi was just running through our midfield even though we had an extra man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, MaVilla said: the rumour was that it was about the team reverting to a back 3 earlier in the season, story goes that Engels didnt like it and wanted to remain with a back 2 (seems a strange thing to fall out over though). regardless, he missed some games apparently due to this fallout, then he was reselected but then got injured, which led to effectively missing the rest of the season. A lot of perople seems to equate his long absence to the fallout, but from what it appears, maybe 30 % of it was the "fallout", or whatever happened, but the rest of the absence was effectively injury related. His mid season absence was certainly due to something behind the scenes. It went from him and Mings being the regular combination to suddenly him not even making the bench and Hause starting games for 3 weeks until Mings recovered from injury and returned at Burnley. I get the feeling he's in the camp of we'll sell if we get an acceptable bid and will remain as cover until that happens. Certainly no point in just loaning him out. Edit: From what I saw in the first 10 games there's a good defender there, think it's a case of does he really want to be here and get a clean slate. Edited August 30, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Konsa is 10 times the player. Wouldn't care much to see Engels go. Slow as he is, Engels will never survive in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Prepared to give him a chance, there's ability there, but too often his decision making (and lack thereof) cost us dearly. I'm not sure how we fit him beside when injuries or cup games occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 To slow and turns like an oil tanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Was pretty impressive at Spurs on the opening day though. I think there's a decent player there, despite his faults Edited August 30, 2020 by StewieGriffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, VillaChris said: His mid season absence was certainly due to something behind the scenes. It went from him and Mings being the regular combination to suddenly him not even making the bench and Hause starting games for 3 weeks until Mings recovered from injury and returned at Burnley. I get the feeling he's in the camp of we'll sell if we get an acceptable bid and will remain as cover until that happens. Certainly no point in just loaning him out. Edit: From what I saw in the first 10 games there's a good defender there, think it's a case of does he really want to be here and get a clean slate. Where did that rumour of a fallout ever come from though? Let’s not forget around the same time Martinez said he wasn’t called up to the national squad as wasn’t fully fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Where did that rumour of a fallout ever come from though? Let’s not forget around the same time Martinez said he wasn’t called up to the national squad as wasn’t fully fit. He played v Southampton at home, Shane Long burnt him alive for pace. Then not even involved for next 3 league games and then started v Fulham in the cup where all the fringe players started. Then came on v Bournemouth on 1st Feb at half time. No injury reported during that time unlike during lockdown. He certainly suddenly fell out of favour for whatever reason given Chester was making the bench ahead of him in that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 hours ago, VillaChris said: He played v Southampton at home, Shane Long burnt him alive for pace. Then not even involved for next 3 league games and then started v Fulham in the cup where all the fringe players started. Then came on v Bournemouth on 1st Feb at half time. No injury reported during that time unlike during lockdown. He certainly suddenly fell out of favour for whatever reason given Chester was making the bench ahead of him in that period. Chester played in the FA Cup game versus Fulham and was told by Smith that he was our best player on the pitch. Maybe Engels just fell down the picking order due to form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 We looked a lot more solid as a unit after the break and I wonder if that would work in Engels favour. Early on in the season we could've had Ferdinand and Vidic at the back and we still would've been exposed with how we were playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Hopefully he’s like a Bjorn again player next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Looked a good player early doors. Great in the air, positioning decent - was always there to win headers ball was like a magnet. Had a good pace in him too. I suppose he wasnt getting exposed. I think if you played anyone at centre back during with the midfield the way it was then they would have got rinsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 looking through the pre-season teams he doesnt seem to be playing either, its quite worrying about his injury at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 31/08/2020 at 12:06, Vive_La_Villa said: Hopefully he’s like a Bjorn again player next season. No chance, he’s a dead man. You’re better off loving Angels instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Zatman said: looking through the pre-season teams he doesnt seem to be playing either, its quite worrying about his injury at this stage We should definitely buy a centre back for numbers even if fans do like him. I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 What’s the story here? If it’s a fall out (as is likely), they have kept quiet. But he is as good as useless at the moment, can the club rely on him this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Has he played in any of the pre season friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, thunderball said: What’s the story here? If it’s a fall out (as is likely), they have kept quiet. But he is as good as useless at the moment, can the club rely on him this season? Yeah, I was thinking this. I think he'll be gone and we'll get a new central defender in. Something has gone on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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