Popular Post Keyblade Posted November 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2019 Absolutely colossal for 94 minutes. It's crazy how he was in the right position every single time. £9m would have been daylight robbery 10 years ago. This is a straight up mugging. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Keyblade said: Absolutely colossal for 94 minutes. It's crazy how he was in the right position every single time. £9m would have been daylight robbery 10 years ago. This is a straight up mugging. Good in the air, calm and good on the ball. Slow as hell. Reminds me of Maguire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted November 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Good in the air, calm and good on the ball. Slow as hell. Reminds me of Maguire. Where was his pace an issue yesterday? He reads the game so well he rarely needs to get into a foot race. What I did enjoy was the foot race with Mings and Salah with Mings coming out on top and calmly turning away from Salah. Great defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: Good in the air, calm and good on the ball. Slow as hell. Reminds me of Maguire. As your footballing education continues, you'll learn that pace is not actually requisite for a top centre back - it's all about positioning and anticipation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Villaman84 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 23 hours ago, lexicon said: As your footballing education continues, you'll learn that pace is not actually requisite for a top centre back - it's all about positioning and anticipation. Your right positioning and anticipation is top choice, for centre half but be fair on him that acceleration and pace is ideal if centre half operates in further line to close half way and if mistake fast centre half will mop himself for price mistake or cover other defender it is usually balance slow and pace centre half will fine in case (Mings - pace with raw power and Engels - slow with intelligence) it is really not matter it is very great balance in football world. if 2 pace centre half with aerial and tackle, anticipated, decision, pace, strength to hold positioned (with good feet pass and read games) like van dijki Liverpool are rare breeds and expensive, and man city already got these 2 players in rows that why they better defence in front feet and it is key to man city success. It is hard to find this caliber even trained them youth for these capabilities normal move to striker as modern forward is pressed forward and focus finisher more, that defend trained might that reason not sufficient to find player like this. Yet we have potentially 2 pace centre half future stars in housa and Konsa these could become first choice our 2 fast centre half partner in future. Reverse roles is rare breed as well like Dion Dublin or Allan Evans. Might we need look at it if want quick for these capabilities yet hard find as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet most of circumstances if he is win defend in aerial and tackle win ball on floor, strength to hold on lock him with positioning read and know where he will next (anticipated) shadow him to steer him away before striker or player who challenge and past him, to buy time to organise team to cover each and protect better it is make mistake decision and concretely, Team work is vital importance of all Which lexicon point it out it is pointless use pace as not need use pace or acceleration as usuals partner centre half or full back will cover for him in event happen, as it is buy a time to organise and communication it is vital importance for defender work as units. Which that reason he, Engels is excellent in these department with few mistakes will iron out with experience that lapsed concretely is his minor problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Not on the bench again last night, has there been any update on his injury lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Dean Smith said after the Newcastle win that Engels had trained well for three days but was still feeling his calf injury a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2019 I would play him with Konsa and drop Mings. Mings currently scares the bejesus out of me everytime he's on or near the ball. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, sidcow said: I would play him with Konsa and drop Mings. Mings currently scares the bejesus out of me everytime he's on or near the ball. Not sure I would at the moment but if Ming's over playing costs us a few times then it certainly an option. To think last season we started off with an unfit Chester as our only decent CB. Incredible turn around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Think i would play him over Mings at current form. Mings is just making too many mistakes at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Think i would play him over Mings at current form. Mings is just making too many mistakes at the moment. Like you, I'll just say the same thing I said in the Mings thread: Tyrone Mings is comfortably our best centre back by quite some distance, and anyone questioning his place in the starting 11 needs to see a doctor. Has his form dipped a bit? Yes, from a very high benchmark. Remember he is always next to our defensively weakest full back (Taylor / Targett) so he has an additional responsibility there, and he leads the backline positionally. You don't drop the player who leads the line unless he's really costing us games and there's a ready replacement on the bench. Engels and Konsa are very good players, but they aren't ready to take that responsibility. Engels is a right-footed centre back. He is slower and softer than Mings. He isn't as good in the air. He also makes the occasional mistake. I really rate Engels, but slotting him in at LCB alongside Konsa would be a downgrade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 On 03/11/2019 at 10:03, lexicon said: As your footballing education continues, you'll learn that pace is not actually requisite for a top centre back - it's all about positioning and anticipation. He is very lucky to get schooled on here, free of charge, on a daily basis. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Was he back in the team yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, maqroll said: Was he back in the team yesterday? He came on was sub when Mings went off injured, Engels acquitted himself well, I think he’s been a great buy and a snip at £9m, I don’t think he should’ve been benched 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 56 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: He came on was sub when Mings went off injured, Engels acquitted himself well, I think he’s been a great buy and a snip at £9m, I don’t think he should’ve been benched I thought he was injured, not benched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, maqroll said: I thought he was injured, not benched? Stayed on the bench when back to fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I don’t think I really understand where this is going, according to our OS, Engels came on for Mings after 23 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Was the better of the centre backs yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 09/12/2019 at 02:37, sir_gary_cahill said: He came on was sub when Mings went off injured, Engels acquitted himself well, I think he’s been a great buy and a snip at £9m, I don’t think he should’ve been benched I agree with this, he should have been back into the side faster. He certainly should have been ahead of Konsa for the Leicester game, and I would have had him back in for the Chelsea game. He's a better defender than Konsa, and more experienced at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 27/11/2019 at 01:23, sidcow said: I would play him with Konsa and drop Mings. Mings currently scares the bejesus out of me everytime he's on or near the ball. Looks like your wish will come true for the next few games at least, and it actually scares the bejesus out of me not that I don't rate Engels as I do, but don't think Konsa is quite ready yet and despite the odd mistake Mings is by far and away our best CB! We will miss his aerial ability and his big mouth organising the defense! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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