Kiwivillan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, mikeyp102 said: Looking at transfermarkt which is usually reliable,he has played in nearly 140 games and had played dm 3 times. He played rb and cb more. It looks like we are getting Luiz in to play that role. We’ll then have other midfielders as back up. CM? Looks like he played there a lot season at Charlton. In a double pivot that can be practically DM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) I think a few people are missing the point here. Konsa is clearly a CB, and that's where he should play. But we lack strength in depth at DM, even with the Douglas Luiz signing. My pecking order would be: Douglas Hourihane Konsa / Thor If we play 4-2-3-1 against a top side, injuries may bring Konsa into the mix for DM. I also completely agree with those who say that just because a CB can pass a ball, that it's lazy to say they can play at DM. I think Konsa is a different proposition from Axel or Mings, because he has actually played there before! Edit: He regularly featured as a midfielder for Charlton in 2017 - check their lineups. It's way more than just 3 fixtures. This is a position he actually has a experience of playing... Bruce's problem (sorry, one of the problems) was he was playing people out of position even when he had specialist options in those positions, and even when the player clearly didn't know how to play that position. I'm talking about the much more realistic possibility that injuries force DS into making a call like this. It's not as if he hasn't had to do this already (Hause at left back, Kodjia out wide, etc.) What's wrong with discussing that? Edited July 22, 2019 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Any word on his absence yesterday evening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Been dreadful against Charlton. He looks like a squad option in need of development, definitely not a starter. I'd have Engels, Chester and Hause ahead of him at the moment, probably in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, PatrickCousens said: Been dreadful against Charlton. He looks like a squad option in need of development, definitely not a starter. I'd have Engels, Chester and Hause ahead of him at the moment, probably in that order. I think that’s a bit harsh, Konsa is a new player and is just settling in. Smith has said in press conferences that he could play for England, he rates him that highly, based on what I’ve seen of him, I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 He's not ready yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I think that’s a bit harsh, Konsa is a new player and is just settling in. Smith has said in press conferences that he could play for England, he rates him that highly, based on what I’ve seen of him, I agree Not saying he's a dud signing - but he's miles off an England player right now. I'm sure he'll come good, but no way would I throw him in yet as a starter - could ruin him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I think he's looked very good over pre-season, not much better or worse than any of our other central defenders other than Mings who's looked better than everyone as you'd perhaps expect. I think Engels will probably start the season ahead of him though, just because he has more experience at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 lets not get on his back, i have thought he looked pretty decent in pre season overall, yeah he misplaced a pass and made a silly error today, but i think its clear he's talented. If we have Mings/Engels as the first choices, then Konsa and Hause as the backups, im sure a season within the setup and learning from DS/Terry will do him the world of good. I think he will be a good player for us in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Very early days for him, JT will iron out his creases for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 He's a good prospect and will be a decent investment for Villa. The way prices have sky rocketed this summer means we bought him just in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Negatives aside I was impressed by his composure on the ball at times during that first half, I can certainly see the comparisons with Tuanzebe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 hours ago, PatrickCousens said: Been dreadful against Charlton. He looks like a squad option in need of development, definitely not a starter. I'd have Engels, Chester and Hause ahead of him at the moment, probably in that order. Didn't watch the whole game, but first half performance looked fine to me. Very composed on the ball. Apart from Mings, who looks a level above, it's hard to pick a pecking order for the 2nd slot, since they all bring something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 hours ago, PatrickCousens said: Not saying he's a dud signing - but he's miles off an England player right now. I'm sure he'll come good, but no way would I throw him in yet as a starter - could ruin him. Or be the making of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 That's a really good point about them all bringing something different. Konsa is great option when we are going to have a large portion of the possession. You can then switch him out with a larger/more physical CB like Engels or Hause for a Steve Bruce long ball side. Really good options to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: That's a really good point about them all bringing something different. Konsa is great option when we are going to have a large portion of the possession. You can then switch him out with a larger/more physical CB like Engels or Hause for a Steve Bruce long ball side. Really good options to have. Engels is also excellent on the ball fyi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 5 hours ago, PatrickCousens said: Not saying he's a dud signing - but he's miles off an England player right now. I'm sure he'll come good, but no way would I throw him in yet as a starter - could ruin him. bit harsh, Smalling, Jones and Stones have about 100 caps between them 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 5 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: He's a good prospect and will be a decent investment for Villa. The way prices have sky rocketed this summer means we bought him just in time. Agree with this - just don't think he's ready to be a regular prem starter yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Engels is first choice. Konsa is future prospect England material. That's the way I see it so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 6 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: He's a good prospect and will be a decent investment for Villa. The way prices have sky rocketed this summer means we bought him just in time. He had a 12m release clause, so wouldnt have mattered if we bought him this summer or next. Without that though Brentford would have been asking for 20m+ no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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