Brumerican Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, rhyscartwright_avfc said: I voted against changing. Not because I'm necessarily in favour of PPC but I feel if we got rid, the QB points would then massively outweigh every other position and would basically decide the matchups. Don't think you can change 1 without the other, and if you did change both it would then leave DEF points being the outlier. So basically I feel it needs big reform or leave it alone. Any thoughts? I actually agree to be fair . If anything we should be pumping up the receivers points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Final vote is down to me then... if I vote in favour of keeping PPC then its a 6-6 tie. What other reform options are there? As @rhyscartwright_avfc says it would leave the games being decided by QB's and DEF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Yeah something needs to change to balance the positions. Whether it be remove points or increase bonuses on WRs & TEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xela said: Final vote is down to me then... if I vote in favour of keeping PPC then its a 6-6 tie. What other reform options are there? As @rhyscartwright_avfc says it would leave the games being decided by QB's and DEF 7-7 actually...well it should be, still some no-votes Tubby and Beastmix to vote, Brumerican has gone for change. **** Remoaner Edited August 6, 2019 by rjw63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, rjw63 said: 7-7 actually...well it should be, still some no-votes Tubby and Beastmix to vote, Brumerican has gone for change. **** Remoaner I'm not fussed either way . I'd rather have WR's get 2 points per catch and TE's 3 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 20 hours ago, rjw63 said: Brumerican has gone for change. **** Remoaner Erm...So did 6 other people ? And we would be leavers surely ? I'd love to have seen the post before you edited . FWIW we have 5 votes to stay the same and 6 votes to change it . Inexplicably , @Xela has chosen to talk about voting but can't seem to cross that final hurdle of actually doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Brumerican said: Erm...So did 6 other people ? And we would be leavers surely ? I'd love to have seen the post before you edited . FWIW we have 5 votes to stay the same and 6 votes to change it . Inexplicably , @Xela has chosen to talk about voting but can't seem to cross that final hurdle of actually doing it. Prolly just a typo, can't remember anything else. Xela is too busy fapping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Xela is too busy fapping. All about priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Finally voted (I had forgot to be honest!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Work for the Commish then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 06/08/2019 at 18:30, rhyscartwright_avfc said: I voted against changing. Not because I'm necessarily in favour of PPC but I feel if we got rid, the QB points would then massively outweigh every other position and would basically decide the matchups. Don't think you can change 1 without the other, and if you did change both it would then leave DEF points being the outlier. So basically I feel it needs big reform or leave it alone. Any thoughts? I'm with Rhys here, would be good to look at all of it and try to get closer games from a more even scoring system. No single position should dominate i.e. no 100 point QBs or 50 points RBs. Any ideas from other leagues of what helps this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 What you all think? Event Points Passing Touchdown 4 points per Passing Yards .04 points per yard Passing 2 Point Conversion 1 points per Interception -1 points per Rushing Touchdown 6 points per Rushing Yards .1 points per yard Rushing 2 Point Conversion 2 points per Reception 1 point per Receiving Touchdown 6 points per Receiving Yards .1 points per yard Receiving 2 Point Conversion 2 points per Kickoff Return Touchdown 6 points per Punt Return Touchdown 6 points per Fumble Lost on Offense -1 points per Offensive Fumble Recovery Touchdown 6 points per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 There's also the Yahoo default values: ield goal 0-19 yards: 3 points Field goal 20-29 yards: 3 points Field goal 30-39 yards: 3 points Field goal 40-49 yards: 4 points Field goal 50+ yards: 5 points Each extra point: 1 point Each reception: 0.5 points Every 25 passing yards: 1 point Each passing TD: 4 points Each interception thrown: -1 points Every 10 rushing yards: 1 point Each rushing TD: 6 points Every 10 receiving yards: 1 point Each receiving TD: 6 points Each return TD: 6 points Each Off Fum Ret TD: 6 points Each 2-point conversion: 2 points Each fumble lost: -2 points Each sack: 1 point Each interception: 2 points Each fumble recovery: 2 points Each touchdown: 6 points Each safety: 2 points Each blocked kick: 2 points Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns: 6 points Shutout: 10 points 1-6 points allowed: 7 points 7-13 points allowed: 4 points 14-20 points allowed: 1 point 21-27 points allowed: 0 points 28-34 points allowed: -1 points 35+ points allowed: -4 points 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Well we hit the 8 votes and now have 4 weeks to sort it out . Maybe going to half a point per carry for RB's would be a soft Brexit solution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 07/08/2019 at 00:23, Brumerican said: I'm not fussed either way . I'd rather have WR's get 2 points per catch and TE's 3 points. Like this idea. Do we just want to nerf RB's or bump the stats of all the other positions? I liked the points per rush on RB's because it added more value to backs on the waiver wire later in the season when you need to find something off the scrap heap to remain competitive if your stud RB goes down injured. Happy to apply this same standard to WR's, TE's etc whilst perhaps nerfing the bonuses and scoring on QB's a tad? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, kkr said: Like this idea. Do we just want to nerf RB's or bump the stats of all the other positions? I liked the points per rush on RB's because it added more value to backs on the waiver wire later in the season when you need to find something off the scrap heap to remain competitive if your stud RB goes down injured. Happy to apply this same standard to WR's, TE's etc whilst perhaps nerfing the bonuses and scoring on QB's a tad? This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted August 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2019 Let's make it a pure stats game for those with a real NFL interest and ignore those who just do it for fun without understanding it properly like @rjw63 n little old me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) On 07/08/2019 at 22:07, StefanAVFC said: There's also the Yahoo default values: ield goal 0-19 yards: 3 points Field goal 20-29 yards: 3 points Field goal 30-39 yards: 3 points Field goal 40-49 yards: 4 points Field goal 50+ yards: 5 points Each extra point: 1 point Each reception: 0.5 points Every 25 passing yards: 1 point Each passing TD: 4 points Each interception thrown: -1 points Every 10 rushing yards: 1 point Each rushing TD: 6 points Every 10 receiving yards: 1 point Each receiving TD: 6 points Each return TD: 6 points Each Off Fum Ret TD: 6 points Each 2-point conversion: 2 points Each fumble lost: -2 points Each sack: 1 point Each interception: 2 points Each fumble recovery: 2 points Each touchdown: 6 points Each safety: 2 points Each blocked kick: 2 points Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns: 6 points Shutout: 10 points 1-6 points allowed: 7 points 7-13 points allowed: 4 points 14-20 points allowed: 1 point 21-27 points allowed: 0 points 28-34 points allowed: -1 points 35+ points allowed: -4 points I like this scoring system. RB's no longer handed points per carry but for net yardage. WR's have to contribute on yards too. The only changes I would make would be: to scrap the WR's points per reception and put them at 1 point per 20 yards plus a bonus at 100, 200, 300 etc. Align QB TD's to 6 points the same as every other position RB's to get a bonus per 100, 200, 300 etc. Defensive scoring looks spot on imo Edited August 9, 2019 by Tubby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 16 hours ago, kkr said: Like this idea. Do we just want to nerf RB's or bump the stats of all the other positions? I liked the points per rush on RB's because it added more value to backs on the waiver wire later in the season when you need to find something off the scrap heap to remain competitive if your stud RB goes down injured. Happy to apply this same standard to WR's, TE's etc whilst perhaps nerfing the bonuses and scoring on QB's a tad? Whilst your point is valid on late season gems, the issue for me with that system is that we are a 14 team league and the studs are no greater than 10-20. If you have two you can win a game by RBs alone at times. Points for yardage would be a better reflection of contribution imo although I appreciate 1 run for 90 yards would be the same as 20 runs for 90 yards. Sure we can come to some compromise that evens it out but I wouldn't welcome making it so we all have 500 point games by adjusting the WRs and TEs up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 14 hours ago, LancsVillan said: Let's make it a pure stats game for those with a real NFL interest and ignore those who just do it for fun without understanding it properly like @rjw63 n little old me What's there not to understand? Instead of getting a point per carry you now (potentially) no longer get a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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