TRO Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) On 12/12/2019 at 13:37, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I was all up for giving Davis a run before he got injured but alot of people don't fancy him either. I accept that the lad might need to be taken out for his own good, unless us as a team and him find a purple patch asap. I think his frustration is starting to get the better of him......for me ,he has a problem holding the ball up.....defenders in this league go after you and close you down, Wes wants space and room to play in, which they seem to give him in Belgium, our league don't. I have no idea which way this will go....if your first touch lets you down in the prem', you have problems. He seems to me he wants too much time to do his thing....this league won't give it you.....and for a big man, he is not that physical......He need a few training sessions, with Big Dunc at Everton. Edited December 13, 2019 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I honestly think Wes would be better if we had competition for him. He’s got a guaranteed place in the team and doesn’t ever get subbed so plays every minute of the game. He was playing better when Davis was up his arse and was about to bag himself a starting place. Wes has to do a lot better but also needs to be coached better. His confidence is shattered at the mo which isn’t ideal and shows in each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newry_Villan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Can see why he gets frustrated. Refs are giving him nothing. Any sort of contact he makes with a player goes against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Newry_Villan said: Can see why he gets frustrated. Refs are giving him nothing. Any sort of contact he makes with a player goes against him. Is it really all “the refs” ganging up on him though? Or is it that Wesley goes down far too easily and/or makes very clumsy (foul) challenges and all “the refs” see the same thing. It seems to me that Wesley is very often in the wrong position under the ball and makes a last minute “shove” to win possession - someone earlier in the thread made the point that as the ball is played to him, Wesley seems not to know whether he is going to bring it down, flick it on, head it or take it on his chest - he often miscontrols it and then commits a foul trying to regain possession He can perhaps improve with time, but is such a long way from what is required that I doubt he can do so quickly enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, VillaCas said: Is it really all “the refs” ganging up on him though? Or is it that Wesley goes down far too easily and/or makes very clumsy (foul) challenges and all “the refs” see the same thing. It seems to me that Wesley is very often in the wrong position under the ball and makes a last minute “shove” to win possession - someone earlier in the thread made the point that as the ball is played to him, Wesley seems not to know whether he is going to bring it down, flick it on, head it or take it on his chest - he often miscontrols it and then commits a foul trying to regain possession He can perhaps improve with time, but is such a long way from what is required that I doubt he can do so quickly enough Yeah I think it's both. Big foreign players have a hard time getting calls from refs in the PL until they get more established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Newry_Villan said: Can see why he gets frustrated. Refs are giving him nothing. Any sort of contact he makes with a player goes against him. It's not only on the refs. He's just not a very intelligent player. He has no idea how to legally protect or challenge a ball. And it's obvious the pace of the English game is one step too far atm. Edited December 14, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, sne said: Big foreign players have a hard time getting calls from refs in the PL until they get more established. Sorry but I don’t see any evidence of this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, VillaCas said: Sorry but I don’t see any evidence of this It's been like this since the days of Savo, trust me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I really hope he scores today. He really needs the confidence boost. Come on big Wes. You can do it! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, sne said: It's been like this since the days of Savo, trust me. This is pure nonsense. What's more likely is that new foreign players are not used to the pace, physicality and quality, thus they often create free kicks and largely get less because they aren't good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Feet Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 hours ago, TRO said: I think his frustration is starting to get the better of him......for me ,he has a problem holding the ball up.....defenders in this league go after you and close you down, Wes wants space and room to play in, which they seem to give him in Belgium, our league don't. I have no idea which way this will go....if your first touch lets you down in the prem', you have problems. He seems to me he wants too much time to do his thing....this league won't give it you.....and for a big man, he is not that physical......He need a few training sessions, with Big Dunc at Everton. Yeah he does, I read collymore had said the same thing and said he’d coach him for free although he wasn’t a hard hold up player but he said Heskey or Carew would also do it which would be great. Anyway I think today is a massive game for us and probably big Wes even more so, you have a point to prove young man, go get em tiger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, TRO said: I think his frustration is starting to get the better of him......for me ,he has a problem holding the ball up.....defenders in this league go after you and close you down, Wes wants space and room to play in, which they seem to give him in Belgium, our league don't. I have no idea which way this will go....if your first touch lets you down in the prem', you have problems. He seems to me he wants too much time to do his thing....this league won't give it you.....and for a big man, he is not that physical......He need a few training sessions, with Big Dunc at Everton. I think time on the ball is a big factor, you just don’t get much of it in the PL. Benteke struggled at first, but settled to the pace of the game reasonably quickly. Savo on the other hand never really got used to it. He moved abroad and if I recall, was for a while anyway, top goal scorer in Europe. Wes at the moment looks more Savo than Benteke. Hopefully for him and the team that changes quickly. Edited December 14, 2019 by DaveAV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, M_Afro said: I really hope he scores today. He really needs the confidence boost. Come on big Wes. You can do it! Personally I'd prefer it if he just played well for once. Goals have shown to have zero effect on his performances or confidence. What we need is that he plays really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Personally I'd prefer it if he just played well for once. Goals have shown to have zero effect on his performances or confidence. What we need is that he plays really well. Ha ha. I prefer to be positive. When he scored against Everton it clearly lifted him. Let’s hope that it can happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Come on Wes two goals for you today, I'm rooting for you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said: I think time on the ball is a big factor, you just don’t get much of it in the PL. Benteke struggled at first, but settled to the pace of the game reasonably quickly. Savo on the other hand never really got used to it. He moved abroad and if I recall, was for a while anyway, top goal scorer in Europe. Wes at the moment looks more Savo than Benteke. Hopefully for him and the team that changes quickly. Well that makes sense especially when the ball is rolled around the park in a possession based game, defence>midfield>defence>keeper>defence>midfield>defence>midfield I mean how's anyone sposed to score that isn't bloody a defender or midfielder, even keeper has more chance than Wesley Edited December 14, 2019 by Dave-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dave-R said: Well that makes sense especially when the ball is rolled around the park in a possession based game, defence>midfield>defence>keeper>defence>midfield>defence>midfield I mean how's anyone sposed to score that isn't bloody a defender or midfielder, even keeper has more chance than Wesley So you don’t think that adding a player like Maupay would make any difference because we don’t involve the striker in our style of play? I don’t think Wes is comfortable or confident at the moment and as a result doesn’t get himself involved enough. I’m not saying he deliberately hides, but it’s fine margins, especially with strikers, as to whether they’re effective or not. I hope he finds his way, but he’s struggling right now. Fortunately we are scoring goals from other areas otherwise we’d be in real trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 00:56, MotoMkali said: On the other hand there also happens to be a massive gap in league position. Where is Firminho? In goals to minutes because that is really who we want wesley to be and I imagine it is likely quite similar maybe 10-20 minutes off. Edit: to be clear although Firminho has 3 more assists than wesley Liverpool have scored 17 more goals than us (wesley goal or assist in 23% of our goals, Firminho 20% of their goals) mane and salah have combined for 16 goals 9 more than our starting wingers who a central striker is most likely to assist. Very poor comparison the only thing our Wes and Firminho have in common is there country of birth, Wes will never reach the level of Firminho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, zab6359 said: Very poor comparison the only thing our Wes and Firminho have in common is there country of birth, Wes will never reach the level of Firminho! Well I saw him being compared to Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho as a platform for "Brazilian players who made an immediate impact in Europe" to further solidify him being "shite". So nothing is off the table. Edited December 14, 2019 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Well I saw him being compared to Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho as a platform for "Brazilian players who made an immediate impact in Europe" to further solidify him being "shite". So nothing is off the table. I call bullshit lol. Rivaldo and Ronaldinho aside from by you haven't even been mentioned in this thread once and no one in this thread has ever compared Wesley to Ronaldo like you claim they have. There's a search function to check. Edited December 14, 2019 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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