Delphinho123 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 40 minutes ago, useless said: Have a feeling come the end of the season we'll look back on a lot of these posts and have a laugh at how hilariously wrong they were about Wesley. It's still but the dawn of his curriculum Villa vitae, all it will take is a few goals in the coming matches and his goals to game ratio will suddenly be looking decent again, just needs to get going once more. Keep banging that drum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, useless said: ll it will take is a few goals in the coming matches and his goals to game ratio will suddenly be looking decent again It's not the goals we are worried about mate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2019 40 minutes ago, useless said: Have a feeling come the end of the season we'll look back on a lot of these posts and have a laugh at how hilariously wrong they were about Wesley. It's still but the dawn of his curriculum Villa vitae, all it will take is a few goals in the coming matches and his goals to game ratio will suddenly be looking decent again, just needs to get going once more. make no mistake, i really hope you're right. because we're going down if not. kodj is not going to be playing anytime soon. smith is going to persist with wes, that much is obvious, just have to really hope it clicks for him and soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, villalad21 said: It's not the goals we are worried about mate. I think 'useless' is the only one left that doesn't understand this. We're a good side going forward so most forwards would at least get a couple of goals. We're all more concerned by the fact he can't control the ball, run, shoot, head or dribble. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlico_Villa Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Again, as no one has answered this - what are Wesley's key attributes? I just don't know what he does. This is a question directed at those who still think he'll come good. Just tell me what his attributes are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Pimlico_Villa said: Again, as no one has answered this - what are Wesley's key attributes? I just don't know what he does. This is a question directed at those who still think he'll come good. Just tell me what his attributes are! Lots of room for improvement? Honestly also struggle to see what it is he has and what our scouting team saw in him. Far easier to see the things he lacks sadly. Hopefully he's a quick learner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, useless said: Have a feeling come the end of the season we'll look back on a lot of these posts and have a laugh at how hilariously wrong they were about Wesley. It's still but the dawn of his curriculum Villa vitae, all it will take is a few goals in the coming matches and his goals to game ratio will suddenly be looking decent again, just needs to get going once more. Goals have never been the problem. We've scored 23 goals, that's more than most. The 6th placed team as 23 goals. We got three major issues. One is that our defensive organisation is horrid. Two, our midfield is imbalanced (by playing McGinn too advanced) and not compact enough. And three is that we got a striker who aren't contributing to our attacking play at all. He's basically offering absolutely nothing. Last match he went deep to bring up the midfield and gave away a goal. He's just a total liability offensively and defensively. I also find it utterly weird how shaky we are at set pieces with Terry on board. It almost seems like we are lacking a defensive coach. It's not about quality of players. It's just about organisation on set pieces and tactical naivety. I fully believe we will get this right, but I can't for my life see how Wesley will be anything other than a huge flop. He has nothing to his game. Nothing. Edited December 9, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Pimlico_Villa said: Again, as no one has answered this - what are Wesley's key attributes? I just don't know what he does. This is a question directed at those who still think he'll come good. Just tell me what his attributes are! I think he has got good link up play and when the ball is played to him and not just somewhere within 30 yards of him he has good hold up play. It is just often we don't find him with enough accuracy so he is 2nd to the where the ball will land so either he loses it or he fouls. He also generally has quite good vision and plays alright cross field balls. On top of that since he has come here he has shown significant improvements in his touch and strength and hopefully will continue to improve other areas of his game as well. Dont get me wrong he has a lot to improve like his off ball movement but so does our entire team. No one gambles for the ball or even comes short for a pass except for Jack so the coaching team needs to work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: On top of that since he has come here he has shown significant improvements in his touch and strength and hopefully will continue to improve other areas of his game as well. Did he come here on crutches? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, Pimlico_Villa said: Again, as no one has answered this - what are Wesley's key attributes? I just don't know what he does. Pretending to be KO'd and arm flapping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Pimlico_Villa said: Again, as no one has answered this - what are Wesley's key attributes? I just don't know what he does. This is a question directed at those who still think he'll come good. Just tell me what his attributes are! He's very deceptive. Brazilian, yet plays football like an out of form Geoff Horsfield. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Still can't believe the fee £22m for a player who scored 11 goals in a much inferior league - must have an agent who is friendly with the VP hierarchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: I think he has got good link up play and when the ball is played to him and not just somewhere within 30 yards of him he has good hold up play. It is just often we don't find him with enough accuracy so he is 2nd to the where the ball will land so either he loses it or he fouls. He also generally has quite good vision and plays alright cross field balls. On top of that since he has come here he has shown significant improvements in his touch and strength and hopefully will continue to improve other areas of his game as well. Dont get me wrong he has a lot to improve like his off ball movement but so does our entire team. No one gambles for the ball or even comes short for a pass except for Jack so the coaching team needs to work on that. it's amazing how differently some see the game. i disagree wholeheartedly on the hold up play. in fact i'd say that to be one of his weaker attributes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, turvontour said: He's very deceptive. Brazilian, yet plays football like an out of form Geoff Horsfield. Never saw Horsfield put in any performances like Wes has. A dream to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, tomav84 said: it's amazing how differently some see the game. i disagree wholeheartedly on the hold up play. in fact i'd say that to be one of his weaker attributes It's shocking. About 1 in 4 sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: it's amazing how differently some see the game. i disagree wholeheartedly on the hold up play. in fact i'd say that to be one of his weaker attributes He did qualify it with quite a few qualifiers to be fair. Ball at his feet and minimal pressure, he's really good. He can play 1 touch football and his passing and vision are really good for a striker. The problems arise when there's even a little pressure from a defender behind him. I think it's the level of defenders in the PL that's proven to be a big step up for him. In Belgium his hold up play looked good, hell even in the CL against Dortmund. In preseason he was great at holding the ball up, but the key was it was against lesser opposition. He also absolutely dominated the shit/rusty defenders Keane and Mina at VP this year. The PL is full of wily, experienced defenders who are top athletes. Probably unlike anything he's ever faced and he's really struggling. He needs to take a break on the sidelines for a while and watch how Keinan does it. I think it's a matter of getting to grips with the league. There are some attributes there to work with. Edited December 9, 2019 by Keyblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 He reminds me of Kevin Philips. They both worked in a factory to they were 17-18. There ends the comparison. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-wesley-compares-aston-villa-17387893 Quote How Wesley compares to Aston Villa greats Benteke, Angel, Carew and Savo Aston Villa player analysis | Here we take a look at Wesley's goals record after his much talked about 16-game start to his Aston Villa career, comparing it to some of Villa's recent greats The big Wesley debate continues after another shot-shy performance in front of goal following Aston Villa's bruising defeat to Leicester City. The Brazilian was given his fifth-straight 90 minutes by Dean Smith yet registered just one shot off target. Wesley, 23, has been backed to the hilt by his boss, who said last week: "The pressure is from the outside, it’s not from Bodymoor Heath or the dressing room. He’s a popular figure, and came here with a lot of potential and promise. He’s still trying to fulfil that potential." For much of his hard-working nature, there has been no end product in recent weeks with Wesley now on an eight-game goal drought. It's clear to see there's something there, his well-taken goals against Everton, Arsenal and Norwich prove just that. However, what's also clear is the £22m striker is shy of confidence at present with his team-mates struggling to find him on the pitch. Against Leicester, Wesley had 29 touches, eight more than two-goal Jamie Vardy. He won the second-most aerial duels (5) after Ben Chilwell but did make an error which led to Vardy's first. Here, we compare Wesley to other strikers who signed for Aston Villa in recent seasons - and compare the Brazilian's much talked about 16-game start with the likes of Christian Benteke and Juan Pablo Angel. Wesley Games: 16 Goals: 4 Wesley Moraes of Aston Villa Summary: The Brazilian continues to be a hot topic among the fan base, some are on his side others aren't having him. What's clear is that Villa aren't getting the best out of him. He's often behind the play and drops way too deep. Smith says his all-round game is not about goals, but more so his contribution. At the moment, he's having little, if any, success in front of goal. The £22m outlay continues way heavy as he now averages one in four. What Wes has to do now is prove himself over the crucial Christmas period. Savo Milosevic Games: 16 Goals: 5 1996 Coca-Cola Cup Final Aston Villa v Leeds United: Savo Milosevic leaves John Pemberton in his wake. (Image: Rebecca Naden/PA) Summary: Savo turned 22 just weeks after signing for Villa for a then club-record fee of £3.5m back in the summer of 1995. He'd play as a front-two pairing with Dwight Yorke and it took Savo a while to get in the goals. He scored his first for Villa in early September away at Ewood Park before a brace at Coventry. He didn't score his first Villa Park goal until December 16, a hat-trick against the Sky Blues. The Serb had one more than Wesley at this stage during his debut season in B6. Juan Pablo Angel Games: 16 Goals: 5 Juan Pablo Angel when he signed for Villa Summary: Another record-buy, JPA arrived in the January after John Gregory persuaded Doug Ellis to part with £9.5m. The Colombian went seven games without a goal before breaking his duck to equalise against Coventry at Villa Park in the penultimate game of the season. Angel wouldn't score again until late September, a strike in Villa's 3-1 win at Southampton and, like Savo, managed five in his first 16 games. Christian Benteke Games: 16 Goals: 5 Summary: The little-known Belgian scored on debut against Swansea but, yet again, managed just five at this stage of the season back in December 2012. The striker would then go on a real goal glut in the New Year, scoring eight times in 10 games before a hat-trick at home to Sunderland. Wesley's not a million miles behind Benteke - then 21 - in terms of start to life at Villa Park. Villa's current striker will be hoping to find the goals trail over the festive period, just like Benteke did. John Carew Games: 16 Goals: 3 Summary: Two inches taller than Wesley, John Carew arrived in the January in a swap deal for Milan Baros. He played the lone striker role and had fellow new recruit Ashley Young and fresh-faced Gabby Agbonlahor flanking him. The experienced striker struck three times in his first 16 games before going onto have a hugely successful four-and-a-half year spell, scoring 37 Premier League goals in 89 starts. He was fruitful in Europe, too (11 strikes in eight). However, and despite being five years Wesley's senior at the time of his arrival, Carew scored just three times in his first 16 appearances in claret and blue. Note that all (Except Benteke) those players came into an established Premier League team with some top players as well. The likes of Angel were slaughtered as well. But yes I know "But with those, you could see that they had kicked a ball before, Wesley can't trap a ball, pass, head, tie his shoelaces or shit in a bucket" etc. Just saying though. Edited December 9, 2019 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 I know but with those, you could see that they had kicked a ball before. Wesley can't trap a ball, pass, head, tie his shoelaces or shit in a bucket. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 All of those players had obvious strengths as players. You could see where they could improve, but you also saw the niche they were good at. Wesley has nothing. And it's never been about goals. 4 goals is fine. It's his general performances that are dog shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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