Wesley Moraes

[The Fun Factory]

At the end of the day it's not his fault that two  clubs think he is worth  over £20 million, and said new  club thought it was a good idea to buy no one else until January to support him. 

Have we overpaid because we are newly promoted Premier League side? Probably.

He is  a completely useless carthorse? No.

Is he a potentially promising player who should have been slowly introduced to the premier league this season instead of starting every game? Yes.

Edited December 5, 2019 by The Fun Factory

[brummybloke]

11 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

For me his hold up play, and link up play have improved of late. As has his closing down. His movement is in need of improvement as it isn't quite good enough. This I agree with. For me I see a young, hardworking player, with talent steadily improving. Not the complete striker, a work in progress. In a match where we don't see even 40% possession it's very hard to make any impact as a striker. Whenever we have a decent amount of ball in the other teams half he does well.

But he is partially responsible when we only have 40% possession. If the ball is played to him then he needs to either pass it to another player or shoot.

I haven't seen him shoot in the last 4 matches? Admittedly didn't see much of last nights game due to picking inlaws up from airport

[Dr_Pangloss]

He could potentially be a cautionary tale.

Maupay was on the market for a similar fee and would have suited us a lot better. It's hard to get it right when it comes to strikers mind but we have to think a bit deeper. There were better options out there which were more ready made.

For me it's madness that Wesley was bought in without any support. We obviously had budget there to sign another forward and seemingly tried but we clearly did not try hard enough.

[briny_ear]

Is Kodjia SO bad that he doesn’t even earn a start? Just to see if he would be more effective? Dunno really.

[Laughable Chimp]

Honestly, don't think not signing another forward was all that crazy. They clearly rate Wesley for putting down so much money for him and expected him to lead the line and Smith probably expected Kodjia to be able to come in as a sub when needed once in a while. Davis was supposed to be third choice with a lot of potential. That's 3 strikers potentially decent strikers in there and I think its fair for the gaffer to think any one of them can potentially do a decent job if needed prior to the start of the season

Turns out, both our first choice striker and our second choice happen to be(probably) crap for us in the league, and our supposed third choice is out injured. So the mistake imo was less not buying another striker as it was Smith trusting Wesley and Kodjia. You might say that's the same as Smith not buying another striker, but its a bit different. If Smith had put the money for another striker instead and he was actually good and he kept Kodjia and Davis, I wouldn't say he made a mistake by not buying another striker.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Laughable Chimp

[HeyAnty]

He's a Donkey and couldn't control a TV remote.  Unfortunately we have no alternative at present.

[sne]

Is Christopher Samba still unattached?

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by sne

[Genie]

Hate to be that guy but he doesn’t seem to be cutting the mustard. Yes he’ll knock in a few tap ins if we keep picking him but it feels a bit like we’re playing with 1 arm behind our backs. 

Kodjia and Davis are also not world beaters but think they’d offer slightly more than Wesley on current form.

Maybe a short spell with Wesley watching might enhance his game when he’s bought back in.

[KenjiOgiwara]

Doesn't really matter that he's shite or that we paid £ 22 million and got robbed. Done is done. 

We just got to get in a solid replacement in January ASAP, and bench Wes. He should not play a single minute of football from January on unless we absolutely have to. 

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara

[Delphinho123]

2 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Doesn't really matter that he's shite or that we paid £ 22 million and got robbed. Done is done. 

We just got to get in a solid replacement in January ASAP, and bench him. He should not play a single minute of football from January on unless we absolutely have to. 

 

*from Dec 5th. 

[Delphinho123]

11 hours ago, Johnnyp said:

 

 

 

At least this bloke controls the ball and manages to get a shot off.

Is he available on a free?

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

5 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

He is absolutely dog shit and people need to stop making excuses for him. 

It's blatantly obvious that if we wanna give us the best chance possible to survive, we got to replace him in January with an actual footballer. 

If he develops on the bench, great. But I seriously doubt it. The man doesn't have a single stand out attribute to work from. Nothing. Total amateur. 

What you call "Excuses", some people call objective reasoning, observation and consideration of mitigating factors.

[foreveryoung]

10 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

At least this bloke controls the ball and manages to get a shot off.

Is he available on a free?

Balotteli is

[Laughable Chimp]

8 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

What you call "Excuses", some people call objective reasoning, observation and consideration of mitigating factors.

So basically fancier words for excuses.

Also,  when have you said anything at any point that could be construed as "objective reasoning"?  That's not a dig at your opinions, as it is a dig at you thinking your opinions are some form of objective reasoning, Most of it what we have been saying are subject to opinion at the end of the day which by definition means it cannot be objective reasoning.

Edit: Removed a line. Probably gone a bit too far.

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by Laughable Chimp

[birdman]

#prayforwes  #keepthefaith 

[A'Villan]

1 minute ago, Laughable Chimp said:

So basically fancier words for excuses.

Also,  when have you said anything at any point that could be construed as "objective reasoning"?  That's not a dig at your opinions, as it is a dig at you thinking your opinions are some form of objective reasoning, Most of it what we have been saying are subject to opinion at the end of the day which by definition means it cannot be objective reasoning.

I don't think that's fair. I think some people approach support for Wes with objective reasoning, as well as subjective opinion.

Being new to a league and team, analysing the rates and quality of supply he receives, comparing his conversion rates of big chances to league leaders, all are objective reasons.

Whether people believe he should be given time to come good, or debating whether he will come good at all, or if his displays are adequate or not to this point, are less so.

[handsworthlion]

Im not seeing anything at all (not even glimpses) from this kid to suggest other than we have signed a proper 'dud' here. I was excited after the Everton game, but that has now long gone. The kid just looks really unhappy, like he doesn't want to be here.

Edited December 5, 2019 by handsworthlion

[terrytini]

10 minutes ago, handsworthlion said:

Im not seeing anything at all (not even glimpses) from this kid to suggest other than we have signed a proper 'dud' here. I was excited after the Everton game, but that has now long gone. The kid just looks really unhappy, like he doesn't want to be here.

I wonder why ?

[sne]

So far it looks like this was a step too far and too early in his career. He's not ready to be THE striker for a PL side yet. Odds are he'll never be but that remains to be seen.

He's absolutely not ready to be the starting striker every game and that's a mistake by Villa for having forced to bee. 

Think he'd be an OK option as a rotation/back up player but we paid £22m and are using him as a mainstay in the starting 11.

Short term the club messed up here and it's unfair to him and is costing us points most likely.

[A'Villan]

Abraham only scored 5 goals for Swansea in his first Premier League season, and he'd the chance to test the waters by playing for Bristol in the championship.

Look at him now, admittedly it took him a few years in the second division and the right opportunities to become a striker recording impressive tallies, but he's come good.

Wes has a decent record in Belgium, and he has come in to a side finding it's feet. For me has shown that he has some of the qualities required for life in the Premier League.

Abraham was prolific for a Villa team which was outstanding in the championship, and he had an abundance of quality service to get the goals that he did.

Now he is at Chelsea, with the likes of Mount, Willian, Jorginho, Barkley, Pulisic, Kante, Pedro etc. all creating attacking chances from every angle.

I really don't intend to defend Wes on the basis of me believing he is adequate or going to be what we need him to be, I really don't know how much he will improve and grow.

I just think he gets a lot of criticism because he's not doing what we all expect a goalscorer to do, and that is usually score goals or provide some entertainment.

I actually like that about Wes, he doesn't go for the hollywood showboat attempts and plays the simple game which means we keep it moving and more importantly at our feet.