villa89 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, tomav84 said: but that dive at the end of the west ham game disgusted me. over the years i've been pleased that we dont tend to have players like that, even those we sign from overseas Diving is part of the game because there's no punishment for it. We've had plenty of divers over the years. Ashley young and el ghazi spring to mind straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, villa89 said: Diving is part of the game because there's no punishment for it. We've had plenty of divers over the years. Ashley young and el ghazi spring to mind straight away. as blatantly as wesley? nah, not for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Maybe not as blatant but they still both dive all the time. El ghazi collapses at the slightest contact. He's a human house of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 In his pomp Young was the best diver I've ever seen. Tom Daley stuff. Defenders couldn't get near him, and if they did it was 50/50 he'd win a FK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlico_Villa Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Could get retrospectively punished for his dive against WHU as well. Maybe he could use his one leg longer than the other excuse, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 hours ago, villa89 said: Diving is part of the game because there's no punishment for it. We've had plenty of divers over the years. Ashley young and el ghazi spring to mind straight away. Diving ( as the call it) has been borne out of Referee's not giving the decisions, when a player is fouled. For me there is 2 types : 1.Where a player is fouled and he claims it...... just in case the ref misses it or dismisses it. 2.Where a player just simulates a challenge to seek advantage i.e Free Kick or Penalty. Personally, I think there is a marked difference between the two. I think the problem is, they are both illegal and get marked down as the same. One is cheating, the other is claiming what is morally yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Not impressed with his overall performance but showed he could make a good attacking run and follow up with a decent finish. Hopefully this will be a catalyst for more goals and better runs in the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Villaman84 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Good goal, Wesley. but same poor performance in general. That what i been often say these, Wesley always drop deep when our attack go on.. and he sit forward and stay there and thing happen - quick attack jack create and goal. That why I keep say Get him stay further up and will goal cross to low feet! like last night i point these to his weak and strength. He is still not good enough, if we got proper striker and arsenal will sit back with 10 men as worried threat from proper striker. Wesley on Arsenal can command in push forward as Wesley deep so give more time to man mark and reaction to his threat. Roll to next games - his big chance vs burnley but they have very good centre half but weak strength but good defender reader the games so Wesley will locked yet hopefully McGinn or Grealish give goal. Edited September 22, 2019 by Danny_Villaman84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 goals in 6. It is ok, but I would think he need a bit more time. He is really out of the game a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Rubbish today I thought. Overall performance is floating round between 4-6/10. Doesn't seem to be doing enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 He did a lot today and took his chance well. He had to drop deep several times to get an attack started, then went sprinting forward at full pace to get the ball back - good play and hard work. Needs more support still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted September 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, lexicon said: He did a lot today and took his chance well. He had to drop deep several times to get an attack started, then went sprinting forward at full pace to get the ball back - good play and hard work. Needs more support still. This certainly is true. The one time he got any sort of quality in the box he scored. No shock to have a striker not scoring much when the quality into the box has been as poor as it has been. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanmac Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) The thing about Wesley is bar the Everton game not once does he force himself in front of a defender to get a pass that maybe he wasn’t favourite to get, but he does get it...holds it/wins a foul/a corner or whatever. Hard to describe it, but I think we all know the kind of centre forward play I’m on about and it releases pressure on the team/stunts the flow of the opposition. I get the point about the shit service but a centre forward for a relegation battling team has to do that imo. He just doesn’t seem versed in those dark arts at all. Edited September 22, 2019 by villanmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 For a man of such stature he is just so damn weak. I'm a midget in comparison but I reckon I could defend against him. He's so easily knocked off the ball and gets so angry all the time. You cannot be as big as him and stroll around like a big girl's blouse. Someone at the club needs to toughen him up because we need battlers not bottlers if we're going to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: This certainly is true. The one time he got any sort of quality in the box he scored. No shock to have a striker not scoring much when the quality into the box has been as poor as it has been. I don't think that is true though. Balls come into the box and he isn't showing any desire to attack them. I think the cross for our first today was aimed for Wes but he didn't make much effort to connect with it, and then a few minutes later a good ball from Trez across the box and he is back on his heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 A few Club Brugge fans actually came on here and described how he "COULD" be, and that he would need time and there are parts of his game which need working on etc. (Namely heading, going missing, and dropping too deep). They did say he was a hard worker and would improve though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: This certainly is true. The one time he got any sort of quality in the box he scored. No shock to have a striker not scoring much when the quality into the box has been as poor as it has been. I agree his goal was a good run and tidy finish, but a striker like Wesley needs to offer more than just getting on the end of stuff in the six yard box. He had quite a few moments where he received the ball in a lot of space, and either lost it, passed it to the keeper, or played a safe ball. We do have a right to expect more. I'm not writing him off, though. Just think he needs a lot of time to develop, and we've thrown him in at the deep end. I'm also slightly concerned that we have a classic situation where everyone's assumed he's an aerial threat because of his physique, and actually he's mediocre in the air. This does worry me, as I don't think aerial prowess is something that comes with age - you usually have it or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I still think we judge him after 10 games. If he gets another two goals 4 in 10 isn't bad for someone we never expected to be an out and out goal scorer. Needs better service, he needs to continue to adjust and learn where the ball is going to arrive. He needs a few more goals for his confidence to grow, he is over thinking and snatching at chances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 16 hours ago, KentVillan said: This does worry me, as I don't think aerial prowess is something that comes with age - you usually have it or you don't. Case in point: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 When we're 2-1 up away from home, especially against 10 men, our defenders should be clearing it long to Wesley and he should be holding it up and we build from there. That's one of the reasons we have bought a 6ft 6" beast. Use him. We're not above banging it long and clearing our lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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