Mazrim Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 They cant compete when it comes to money. We can offer him top money. Its not everything, I know but its life changing for him and its far from guaranteed they'll even be in the shake up for promotion next season. He might see it as now or never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Mazrim said: Any word on what they're saying in Whippet land? It’s mainly quiet which is unusual for them, maybe resigned to him going as he didn’t sign the new contract as a lot of them expected. A few whispers suggesting LUFC are desperate for cash, and the contract offer is deliberately short of what was needed and a PR ruse, forcing KP’s hand. Wouldn't surprise me if we get him, all seems to be fate slowly unfolding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 9, 2019 Leeds fans are under the belief he was offered 25k and turned them down. This is all happening play by play just as there fans feared would happen. Actually feel sorry for them. Looks like he's going to be leaving soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Any word on what they're saying in Whippet land? E nah then, keep thee grubby Brummagen ‘ands of our Kalvin. E’s Yorkshire born and bred tha knows and won’t ave owt t’do wi none of thee fancy ways down south. E’s appy earnin proper Yorkshire brass. E gets enough to give t’is mother and local butcher sponsors ‘is whippet so’t hound gets best steak. Oh and by t’way, them bloody Peaky Blinders know nowt about ‘ow tha should wear t’ flat cap. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Nigel said: Leeds fans are under the belief he was offered 25k and turned them down. This is all happening play by play just as there fans feared would happen. Actually feel sorry for them. Looks like he's going to be leaving soon I assume we would offer 40k basement to play PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, Nigel said: Leeds fans are under the belief he was offered 25k and turned them down. This is all happening play by play just as there fans feared would happen. Actually feel sorry for them. Looks like he's going to be leaving soon It’s tough in their position. If they lose Philips and Pontus in one window that’s a proper body blow, both fans favourites. Shows you the cost of missing out on promotion, the vultures circle. They have little cash either, the Championship is unfair like that, really needs sorting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, thunderball said: It’s tough in their position. If they lose Philips and Pontus in one window that’s a proper body blow, both fans favourites. Shows you the cost of missing out on promotion, the vultures circle. They have little cash either, the Championship is unfair like that, really needs sorting out. Are they not getting new owners, or is that just wishful thinking/paper talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, thunderball said: It’s tough in their position. If they lose Philips and Pontus in one window that’s a proper body blow, both fans favourites. Shows you the cost of missing out on promotion, the vultures circle. They have little cash either, the Championship is unfair like that, really needs sorting out. It's not only those 2 either. They lost their young left winger to spurs and it's looking like roofe is going too. There owner is selling everyone he can get money for. We have seen this before! I said earlier that I'd be shocked if Phillips wasnt there at the kit unveiling. Doesn't make sense to rile the fans and put the wrong message out to anyone connected. That looks badly handled to put it lightly. As far as we are concerned this is a green light to lower any proposed offer. Edited July 9, 2019 by Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) I wouldn't feel too sorry for them they had an eighty page thread on their main forum last summer laughing and gloating at our situation and how it looked like we were going to have to sell all our best players. Edited July 9, 2019 by useless 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 It'll take some real misfiring from everyone if we sign this guy and don't stay up. We'll dominate so much ball I think we'll create more than enough chances to win 15 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It'll take some real misfiring from everyone if we sign this guy and don't stay up. We'll dominate so much ball I think we'll create more than enough chances to win 15 games. we have only won 15 games in the prem 4 times since the turn of the millennium and all of those resulted in 6th place finishes. The scary thing is you pretty much need 15 wins to scrape 10th now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Are they not getting new owners, or is that just wishful thinking/paper talk? Rumour come and gone and come back and gone again but Radrizzani not broke and has no interest in relinquishing majority stakehold last I read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) Assuming we are looking at him as a DM, anchor of a three, then why would we buy a player who is worse than our current best option in that position (Conor)? If we are going to spend money then we should buy players who will improve us, not make us worse. His statshttps://www.whoscored.com/Players/270446/Show/Kalvin-Phillips like for like Conorhttps://www.whoscored.com/Players/134172/Show/Conor-Hourihane Kalvin is a worse version of Conor in just about every stat. I mean sure he could improve, but why roll the dice on that when we could get someone better? Edited July 9, 2019 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwivillan Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Assuming we are looking at him as a DM then why would we buy a player who is worse than our current best option in that position (Conor)? If we are going to spend money then we should buy players who will improve us, not make us worse. His statshttps://www.whoscored.com/Players/270446/Show/Kalvin-Phillips like for like Conorhttps://www.whoscored.com/Players/134172/Show/Conor-Hourihane Kalvin is a worse version of Conor in just about every stat. I mean sure he could improve, but why roll the dice on that when we could get someone better? What the hell is this? Even your link has Conor playing DM 1 time. This is comparing apples to bulldozers 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: What the hell is this? Even your link has Conor playing DM 1 time. This is comparing apples to bulldozers Do you honestly believe Conor has only played in that position one time last season? Come on now Clearly Kalvin would be played as the base of the three right? Jack & McGinn in front of him. Thats the position Conor generally plays for us same as Thor & Whelan. Unless of course we are looking at Kalvin for a central defender or looking to play 3 at the back. Which would be interesting I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 The relevant stats for DCM are tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks, accurate long balls, average passes, and pass success % Phillips vs Hourihane for above stats 2.6 vs 1.4 1.3 vs 0.4 2.6 vs 1.1 0.3 vs 0.2 4.6 vs 2.6 58.5 vs 42.3 82% vs 87% Phillips ahead on all bar 1 category. Hourihane was better for us in final third. He doesn't know how to position himself as a DCM because role was forced on him occasionally 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 You can't seriously think Hourihane is better than Phillips as DCM? Hourihane isnt even natural or capable in that position. The only game where he looked the part was the final, funnily enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Kiwivillan said: The relevant stats for DCM are tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks, accurate long balls, average passes, and pass success % Phillips vs Hourihane for above stats 2.6 vs 1.4 1.3 vs 0.4 2.6 vs 1.1 0.3 vs 0.2 4.6 vs 2.6 58.5 vs 42.3 82% vs 87% Phillips ahead on all bar 1 category. Hourihane was better for us in final third. He doesn't know how to position himself as a DCM because role was forced on him occasionally I thank you That cheers me up a little. I know Leeds play a different way to us, but Bielsa is no fool, its worrying that even with that his other stats are worse than Conors and overall his is obviously lower rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Mazrim said: You can't seriously think Hourihane is better than Phillips as DCM? Hourihane isnt even natural or capable in that position. The only game where he looked the part was the final, funnily enough. Given what we all saw last season I think its hard to argue anything other than Conor is the better player in our midfield setup. Happy to have the chat but I dont see why its so incredulous that I would question buying a lower rated player than the one we currently have. I would sooner have an upgrade or a premier league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: I thank you That cheers me up a little. I know Leeds play a different way to us, but Bielsa is no fool, its worrying that even with that his other stats are worse than Conors and overall his is obviously lower rated. I don't understand what you mean his other stats? Hourihane is an attacking player that gets goals and assists. That's not what DCM does. The other highly rated DCM we've been linked with Santamaria has 1 goal and 0 assists in 105 games for current club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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