Zatman Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: I wish sky and bbc would separate the mens and womens football news..........they should have their own sites. I could not care a toss about anything happening in the world of womens football. Yet have made numerous posts in a womens World Cup thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 so which fits you? Think I might fit in on quite a few of these But then again as always this piece is written to provoke and is simplifying things to do so. Has it's points thou. Quote Pity the poor man who’s had the Women’s World Cup shoved down his throat Once again I am hugely grateful to the community that will not allow us to forget the great under-reported story of this Women’s World Cup: men. Most specifically, the men who are not watching it. We hear so much about the tournament itself. Too much, it is argued – and at the expense of one of the four great civil rights questions of our era: 1) When are we getting a White History Month? 2) When is International Men’s Day? 3) Isn’t it time we had Straight Pride? and 4) Can you imagine how sexist people would say it was if we had a men’s World Cup? I could not agree more with the gentlemen who dare to ask these questions – and not just so that I can buy time while I frantically locate the exit. Indeed, as part of this column’s tireless commitment to celebrating the underdogs, this week let’s redress the dangerous cosmic imbalance caused by the Women’s World Cup. Here follows a celebration of all the different guys who currently need to explain to you – at length – why they aren’t watching it. As always, you don’t have to be a woman to have met some of these men over the past week. But it certainly helps! Mr Stop Shoving It Down My Throat Listen, this guy is absolutely fine with this tournament existing, being alive, whatever. He’s open-minded – it’s not the dark ages any more. Nothing against it. What he objects to – and he’d like you to know that you’ll find a lot of other perfectly decent people like him – is it being “shoved down his throat”. Yes, it’s the shoving. Down the throat. It’s like: fine. I’m happy for you to do your football in the privacy of your own wherever, but please: have some sensitivity and realise that not all people are like you. So basically just don’t do it in front of him, or involve him. Seriously: don’t involve him. Also don’t do it near his kids, especially the girl. For reference, ways that it can be shoved down his throat include “being on TV” and “being on a website he normally looks at”, for instance that of the British Broadcasting Corporation, which, by covering a sport that averaged 4.6 million viewers on Sunday night for England’s game against Scotland, is pursuing a right-on agenda. Actually, let’s be real for a minute: no one wants to see this. Put it away. Mr I’m Being Branded Sexist This guy is fairly sure he’s being “branded sexist” for not watching the Women’s World Cup. I think if you need to ask “by who, specifically?” then in a very strong but also abstract sense you’re part of the problem. He is definitely getting this definite feeling that he is being made to feel sexist. It’s all part of an agenda. No, he’d rather not continue this conversation. He can’t win, because you just can’t say anything these days. Mr Inferior Product Nothing but respect for the guy who declares “the game’s gone” about every tiny piece of commercialisation in men’s football, but falls over himself to describe the women’s game as “an inferior product”. I mean, on the one hand, a reminder: if you refer to football as either “product” or “content” – ever – you are an endless rocket polisher. No exceptions. But on the other: I’m sure it felt like an interesting point when you made it. Your points are not inferior products: keep producing them to surplus. Mr I Prefer Parks No one more than me wants to help the guy whose chief point about the 2019 World Cup is: “I would so much rather watch parks football on a Sunday morning.” I would also rather he did this. Mr Stop Telling Me It’s Massive When It’s Really Not Totally. But dude: read that one over and then probably just delete it. I know you’d hate for anyone to take it out of context. And that’s what they do; they take things out of context and then they twist what you say. Mr I Always Support England Always supports England, no matter what. No one loves his country more than him. But this isn’t “England” by any reasonable yardstick. Which bit of England do they represent then? Not a bit he recognises. Mr Have Fifa Got A Point I love this guy, who has spent years – decades – scoffing that Fifa are a bunch of incompetent chisellers who leech money out of the game, and do less than the bare minimum to grow it while lining their own pockets. Unbelievable that they don’t pay local taxes and have a cash surplus of $2.7bn when they should be a force for good. But this chap looks at the fact that the men’s World Cup prize fund is $400m, that the women’s is $30m. He knows he can’t fall back on viewing figure ratios, given that the men’s gets four times the viewers of the women’s, but 13 times the prize money. And he knows the gap between the men’s and women’s prize fund has actually risen over the past four years. Even so, and for reasons he can’t quite put his finger on: haven’t Fifa got a point in just this one case? Oh, just to be clear, that’s a rhetorical question. Which means you don’t get to answer it. Mr I’m Just Not Watching Short of hearing what other people dreamed about last night, hearing which things other people aren’t watching on television is even better. Have you never seen an episode of Game of Thrones? Do you dislike Love Island? Are you not watching the Women’s World Cup? If so, this is massive. Make sure to tell as many people as possible today. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/jun/12/womens-world-cup-shoved-down-mens-throats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrDuck Posted June 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2019 16 hours ago, Junxs said: I've been watching the cricket world cup, and it's really frustrating to hear the commentators constantly call it the "mens" world cup. It's an obvious instruction from above that they must refer to it as this as they are trying to push the womens game is it worth getting frustrated over? It really makes no difference and does no harm. And it _is_ the men's world cup. Good on them for pushing the women's game I reckon. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ponky Posted June 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) Representation matters hugely. Why should men's sport be considered the default setting? Just heading to bed at 2am having sat up with my daughter watching Australia come back from 2-0 to Brazil. The world cup matters hugely to her. She plays at an all-female club that has produced a number international representatives, including a few members of the present Australian team. They take their football seriously. Sure the standard is not the same, but the theatre and the passion is no different. And indeed the relative absence of pompous, overpaid, self-important Representatives for Wellingborough makes it all the more refreshing. And my 15yo son has NEVER stayed up late watching football with me. Edited June 13, 2019 by Ponky 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ponky said: Representation matters hugely. Why should men's sport be considered the default setting? Just heading to bed at 2am having sat up with my daughter watching Australia come back from 2-0 to Brazil. The world cup matters hugely to her. She plays at an all-female club that has produced a number international representatives, including a few members of the present Australian team. They take their football seriously. Sure the standard is not the same, but the theatre and the passion is no different. And indeed the relative absence of pompous, overpaid, self-important Representatives for Wellingborough makes it all the more refreshing. And my 15yo son has NEVER stayed up late watching football with me. It shouldn't. But in this case the World Cup has been around since 1930 while the women's WC has been around (unofficially)since 1970 and as a proper tournament since 1991. Women football is piggybacking on the men's game, and that's fine. But it is 2 different things. (IMO) Edited June 13, 2019 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 12 hours ago, sne said: It shouldn't. But in this case the World Cup has been around since 1930 while the women's WC has been around (unofficially)since 1970 and as a proper tournament since 1991. Women football is piggybacking on the men's game, and that's fine. But it is 2 different things. (IMO) This is just elevating the default sexism of the early twentieth century into some grand principle isn't it? It doesn't say anything spectacular about men's football that it has been around for longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is just elevating the default sexism of the early twentieth century into some grand principle isn't it? It doesn't say anything spectacular about men's football that it has been around for longer. No, it's naming rights, recognition, marketing and commercial deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 14, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2019 with regards to Mens and Womens World Cup, Tennis, Rugby, Cricket and so on. Should The FA not rename themselves the English FA by that rationale? Aston Villa Mens as we have Aston Villa Ladies? I think what I am saying is whatever came first should stay as it is. As for the Womens World Cup I am enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, S-Platt said: Should The FA not rename themselves the English FA by that rationale? OT, but you might have missed this then. Also, it might be worth re-highlighting this was the same FA that banned the Women's game at their member clubs' grounds for 50 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Enjoyable start to the England Argentina game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) The short goalkeeper thing was definitely on show in the scotland/japan game earlier. Japans first goal in particular, Scottish keeper was even stood on her line, japanese player hit a high shot straight at the keeper that didn't crash in off the underside of the bar or anything but the keeper simply wasn't tall enough to stop it and it just went over her head. Scotlands goal wasn't much different really but to be fair the japanese keeper was a yard or so off her line but again a simple shot straight over her head. If you can not touch the crossbar you're always going to be in trouble Edited June 14, 2019 by LakotaDakota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yes shots from distance seem to be a problem. England wasteful tonight. Should have been 4 or 5 nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 A wild high foot followed by feigning head injury to try to get them sent off in the Netherlands Cameroon game. Football is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 That was a lovely goal by the Dutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieZ Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Chile's 6'0" keeper Endler has been the only thing keeping the match against USA from turning into a total rout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2019 Cascarino playing up front for France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2019 Commentator referring to 'man marking'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2019 "She shows it in flashes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 France looked pretty uninspired there. I've now seen all three of their games, and they've gotten progressively worse each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: France looked pretty uninspired there. I've now seen all three of their games, and they've gotten progressively worse each time. And like the men’s team they get all the luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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