Rob182 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) edit: wrong thread Edited July 12, 2020 by Rob182 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Rob182 said: Did Dyche prove he’s not good enough up here when he got Burnley relegated? Football fans lately seem to think that everything is black and white. Dyche has proved over and over he's a manager that deserves to be in the PL he gets results against the grain with a squad of bargain basement players. Smith can't buy a result in the PL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 The Dyche came straight back up after getting relegated argument is just lazy. You could say that about any manager getting relegated. It's just blind hope and ignoring the core problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, zab6359 said: Dyche has proved over and over he's a manager that deserves to be in the PL he gets results against the grain with a squad of bargain basement players. Smith can't buy a result in the PL! In his first season as a PL manager he finished 19th on 33 points and won 7 games with his team only scoring 28 goals all season. We've won 7 games this season. Since then he has proved he deserves to be in the PL thou. Took some time. Smith might also develop into a solid PL manager, but I don't think we have time to wait for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, sne said: In his first season as a PL manager he finished 19th on 33 points and won 7 games with his team only scoring 28 goals all season. We've won 7 games this season. Since then he has proved he deserves to be in the PL thou. Took some time. Smith might also develop into a solid PL manager, but I don't think we have time to wait for that. Isn't the same thing tho sne. Burnley have very limited resources. Dyche has build it up from rags. It's apples and oranges really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, villalad21 said: The Dyche came straight back up after getting relegated argument is just lazy. You could say that about any manager getting relegated. It's just blind hope and ignoring the core problems. It's also lazy to just say just get rid of after investing so much and then we'd have to start all over again. Smith got us promoted, Smith got us relegated. He's been here 18 months, the owners have invested heavily in him, we just need to give him time. You wont because you havent liked him since day one. Last season was a major positive, this season has been a negative, time to see what next season gives him. You think we wont be close but you maybe wrong. Fortunately it isnt your choice and I'm sick of chopping and changing managers especially when they havent been given time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Isn't the same thing tho sne. Burnley have very limited resources. Dyche has build it up from rags. It's apples and oranges really. We had resources but had to build from scratch, we went up without a squad or even a core. Smith (the club) has built it up from thin air. Edited July 12, 2020 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, sne said: In his first season as a PL manager he finished 19th on 33 points and won 7 games with his team only scoring 28 goals all season. We've won 7 games this season. Since then he has proved he deserves to be in the PL thou. Took some time. Smith might also develop into a solid PL manager, but I don't think we have time to wait for that. I get it. What's the choice though? starting again with somebody else unknown, a judgement call that somebody can do better, to rip up the squad and start again or why not wait, we have invested heavily in Smith, with a few players going and a few coming in that Smith continues and he's proven he can do it in the Championship so stick with the manager, whose learnt from his experiences, he has the basis of his team that he didnt have before and with additions and hopefully promotion this club will be in a better place rather than having to replace most of the squad like last summer. A new manager will have to rip up the squad, bring in their own players and as we know it will take 10-15 games to implant his ideas and we may be too far off the pace to get promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sne said: We had resources but had to build from scratch, we went up without a squad or even a core. Smith (the club) has built it up from thin air. I'm just saying the comparison is really stupid. There is no comparison really. Different run clubs. Different expectations. You could use the Dyche argument for any club getting relegated. Based on nothing else than blind hope. Smith had limited funds at Brentford. Now that would be a better comparison. Edited July 12, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, nick76 said: I get it. What's the choice though? starting again with somebody else unknown, a judgement call that somebody can do better, to rip up the squad and start again or why not wait, we have invested heavily in Smith, with a few players going and a few coming in that Smith continues and he's proven he can do it in the Championship so stick with the manager, whose learnt from his experiences, he has the basis of his team that he didnt have before and with additions and hopefully promotion this club will be in a better place rather than having to replace most of the squad like last summer. A new manager will have to rip up the squad, bring in their own players and as we know it will take 10-15 games to implant his ideas and we may be too far off the pace to get promotion. I think the way to go is to replace Smith, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, villalad21 said: I'm just saying the comparison is really stupid. There is no comparison really. Different run clubs. Different expectations. You could use the Dyche argument for any club getting relegated. Based on nothing else than blind hope. Of course it's different. And I'm not using it as a comparison to keep Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, sne said: I think the way to go is to replace Smith, yes. Fair enough! I'm happy to stick with Smith. I think if we do sack Smith which I think there is a 50/50 chance of happening then I will wait on my judgement on who comes in......I've been disappointed before with the likes of McLeish so if they brought in somebody great then i'd be all for it but if shocking then not. It's a shame that we dont get to see who they are thinking to bring in if they are...........then it would be an easier decision.....you have a choice between Smith or XXXXX. At the moment it's the choice between Smith and who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, nick76 said: Fair enough! I'm happy to stick with Smith. I think if we do sack Smith which I think there is a 50/50 chance of happening then I will wait on my judgement on who comes in......I've been disappointed before with the likes of McLeish so if they brought in somebody great then i'd be all for it but if shocking then not. It's a shame that we dont get to see who they are thinking to bring in if they are...........then it would be an easier decision.....you have a choice between Smith or XXXXX. At the moment it's the choice between Smith and who knows! I'd been fine with keeping Smith even if relegated if I saw anything in us to build from. But I don't. Season pretty much over and we have no style of play, look clueless at set pieces and can't keep possession or defend. We don't act like a team and we've not really improved individually or as a unit. Yes the squad is among the weakest and there are more reasons to why we are where we are. But I don't see a foundation to which to build from and thus no reason for continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Everton getting spanked Wolves, which means they’re shit. Beat Palace today and beat Everton next, sets us up nicely to thrash Arsenal and Wet Spam. Thus completing the great escape. Easy, don’t know what all the fuss is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielesibub Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Everton getting spanked Wolves, which means they’re shit. Beat Palace today and beat Everton next, sets us up nicely to thrash Arsenal and Wet Spam. Thus completing the great escape. Easy, don’t know what all the fuss is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Everton getting spanked Wolves, which means they’re shit. Beat Palace today and beat Everton next, sets us up nicely to thrash Arsenal and Wet Spam. Thus completing the great escape. Easy, don’t know what all the fuss is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Everton look so shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, sne said: In his first season as a PL manager he finished 19th on 33 points and won 7 games with his team only scoring 28 goals all season. We've won 7 games this season. Since then he has proved he deserves to be in the PL thou. Took some time. Smith might also develop into a solid PL manager, but I don't think we have time to wait for that. We spent 130 mil on players no comparison at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, AVFCforever1991 said: Everton look so shit Until Thursday night - when they’ll miraculously look like the scouse Barcelona... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, AVFCforever1991 said: Everton look so shit Until we play them thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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