nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaulC said: Fair enough he has valid reasons for not training but I wonder after a few games and Watford are stuck in the relegation zone, pressure might force him to play even though he won’t be match fit. Family must come first but not sure about the black and Asian argument. Is it actually proven? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/british-bame-covid-19-death-rate-more-than-twice-that-of-whites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, nick76 said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/british-bame-covid-19-death-rate-more-than-twice-that-of-whites It’s more because of poverty and overcrowded households than just the colour isn’t it. It shouldn’t apply to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Society would collapse if everyone had the same mindset as Deeney. I'm just saying. Imagine if health workers had his mindset. You'll be safer on the training ground than virtually any other work place. It's close to zero chance of infection. But fair enough. He got the money normal people doesn't have to stay home for years without problems. You do you Troy. Most of us have to get back to work, can't hide away at home forever. Accepting the chances of catching the virus are greater indoors than out would you kindly reveal your source that states the chances are close to zero on a training ground. I would be interested to read up on the research that produced this conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaulC said: It’s more because of poverty and overcrowded households than just the colour isn’t it. It shouldn’t apply to him Probably but there are some diseases/viruses that impact some ethnicities more than others. I guess it might be too early to know with this virus whether it is one or the other or a mixture of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, PaulC said: It’s more because of poverty and overcrowded households than just the colour isn’t it. It shouldn’t apply to him That isn't the case. Even with poverty and living conditions taken into account it is still significantly more dangerous to the BAME community. They don't know why yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, smg said: Accepting the chances of catching the virus are greater indoors than out would you kindly reveal your source that states the chances are close to zero on a training ground. I would be interested to read up on the research that produced this conclusion. You won't get it on the training ground because everyone is tested. I'm almost 100 % certain no players or staff will get infected during this training period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: You won't get it on the training ground because everyone is tested. I'm almost 100 % certain no players or staff will get infected during this training period. You do understand that testing isn’t a vaccine or immunity don’t you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: I hope they get it all going at some point for it to all fall over and end like a Carry on film. No health impacts on anyone but where something like, no one ever watches the games, they don't stream properly, everyone turns off after 10 mins to go outside and do something less boring instead, false alarms for Corona within teams, matches called off as fans outside stadium. There must be more things that can go wrong ? Ending in Farce and acrimony is where Im at, where in the end LiVarpool just get a tiny trophy and not the real one the words removed. Betting, how the **** can you price Home teams at Neutral grounds ? Betting, anyone know the odds for relegation ? (I can t look at work) (For the bottom 6)- Guess 4/7 Villa ? Doubt any of that will happen, didn't Bundesliga get great viewing figures at the weekend although of course it was always going to be a novelty seeing football again after such a long break so it could well tail off for future weekends. Surely people saying in to watch football if they don't really have to go out (on weekends) is a good thing for next two months? Think it's only a small minority of games where they'll be danger of fans turning up e.g. Liverpool. Pubs around grounds being shut for a start. Made about 300 quid on the Bremen-Leverkusen game last night so selfishly the lack of fitness and indeed concentration levels in last 20 minutes of games has been good for me. I actually don't think the quality of games were that bad from what I watch but of course no one is saying the overall spectacle is better for lack of fans. As we've seen above that sadly will be a long term problem for whenever next season starts aswell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nick76 said: You do understand that testing isn’t a vaccine or immunity don’t you? Let's stay at home for the next 2 years then. Btw i thought you had blocked me... Edited May 19, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, smg said: Accepting the chances of catching the virus are greater indoors than out would you kindly reveal your source that states the chances are close to zero on a training ground. I would be interested to read up on the research that produced this conclusion. He’s been indoctrinated by a certain Mr Trump.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, tom_avfc said: I have full respect for him. The reasons given are well thought out and I can't see how anybody can disagree with his decision not to train at the present time. Must be a difficult decision as a key player for Watford too. It does make more of a mockery out of the whole idea of football returning. How many other players are there going to be who choose not to come back? Yes I have no problem with any player who dosen't want to come back atm, same for John McGinn if what is being rumoured is true. Of course as weeks pass and they're talking to their team mates who are training and preparing to play they might change tact and return around June (hopefully the new cases and death rates will also still be decreasing at that time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The McGinn rumor was debunked by radio WM already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Jareth said: Funny how a tweet about football tells us more about the next year than any government statement. It's entirely realistic - vaccine first, roll it out - however long that takes - and then back to normal. Even if we get the Oxford vaccine in Sept it takes a month to produce antibodies (in monkeys) and it's possible it doesn't stop the virus spreading but reduces its danger drastically. Under those conditions, there won't be any large crowd permitted until everyone has been vaccinated. Therefore they might as well start up sooner than later just to get used to the new normal. Even though I've been criticial of the government the medical officer at the 5pm conferences have been consistantly saying this when asked, Chris Whitty said it the other week that social distancing would remain in place for rest of the year unless you get miracle roll out of vaccine in the Autumn. The idea of everything was going to be o.k again in August/September regarding playing the premier league was never one I really got tbh, there will very likely be no vaccine and crowds so still big risks and then you add the winter months which I think will be a huge problem generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, nick76 said: I'm almost 100 % certain no players or staff will get infected during this training period. 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: 6 minutes ago, nick76 said: You do understand that testing isn’t a vaccine or immunity don’t you? Let's stay at home for the next 2 years then. Haha nice deflection but not what I said, you said almost 100% certain no players will get infected because they are getting tested. Testing is just a test to see if you have it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nabby said: The McGinn rumor was debunked by radio WM already Well the manager said one player has asthma issues and another has in laws living with them so I'd respect their decisions not to play whoever it is, Grealish or Hause or Jota. Or hopefully Drinkwater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Yes I have no problem with any player who dosen't want to come back atm, same for John McGinn if what is being rumoured is true. Of course as weeks pass and they're talking to their team mates who are training and preparing to play they might change tact and return around June (hopefully the new cases and death rates will also still be decreasing at that time). We could have the second wave by then with so many mixing and socialising...last week and this week means we might see uptick in cases next week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: Haha nice deflection but not what I said, you said almost 100% certain no players will get infected because they are getting tested. Testing is just a test to see if you have it.... What is your solution then? It will never be 100 % safe until a vaccine arrives, which could be years away. I keep hearing the same things from the voider camp, but i'm yet to hear an actual solution. Is it ok to start playing when there's lesser risk, like in Germany? Or do we have to have a vaccine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, nick76 said: We could have the second wave by then with so many mixing and socialising...last week and this week means we might see uptick in cases next week Yeah we'll have to see on that but ultimately the main pinch points of public transport (outside of London) and city centres remain pretty deserted at most parts of the day so we remain a long way from where society was at start of March when everything was running at normal and that created all the huge number of cases in late March and April. Spain and Italy have lifted lockdown for a few weeks now and yet their numbers are looking really good from the horrendous levels they were so there is some hope. I'm more concerned by the winter months when hospitals will be loaded with people struggling with the flu, hopefully they'll be at least an effective treatment around by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Robbie09 said: He’s been indoctrinated by a certain Mr Trump.... Yep our own Trumper....it still surprises me how somebody so stupid got such a senior position and that so many people follow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) For the record i actually don't support Trump Although i don't understand what Trump has got to do with this thread Edited May 19, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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