BleedClaretAndBlue Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Meanwhile.... Newcastle are being taken over by a government fund worth over 10 times a Man City ffs. Everytime we get new owners, with dosh, and I start seeing where we could possibly get in amongst the top 6 etc.... Another of our direct rivals gazump us ffs. Deja Vu with us and Lerner, Man City with Abu Dhabi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted April 19, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: But they cannot spend all that money without breaking FFP and you still have to convince players to live in Newcastle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Do you not think FFP will be abolished, at least temporarily when football returns? I mean its a bit strange to buy a football club when there is no football for the forseeable future? Ashley finally deciding to collect now that finances have crashed. Dont think the PL have much choice but to relax the laws surrounding what can be spent now. At least we’ll also be in a strong position in that respect with our ownership, when things do return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, S-Platt said: But they cannot spend all that money without breaking FFP and you still have to convince players to live in Newcastle. You mean impending the Billion Pound sponsorship from Saudi Aramco won't be realistic value for Newcastle? Edited April 19, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Also, if you need any highlight that it's not all about the wealth of the owners, you'll notice Liverpool are missing from the 'rich list' yet easily this seasons best team 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, S-Platt said: But they cannot spend all that money without breaking FFP and you still have to convince players to live in Newcastle. Messi and Lewandowski will be queuing up to play for Bruce 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: Messi and Lewandowski will be queuing up to play for Bruce How unlucky would he be, to get a club with stinking rich owners again, only to be sacked? I can see them wanting to go the superstar manager route, Pochettino etc defon ain't out of reach for them anymore. People point out "FFP" , however fail to acknowledge off the record "handshakes" and percs. PSG with Neymar for example, random Airline endorsements etc. When you've got enough power and money, there is always a way. There will be a few top players who might suddenly feel like they need a "new challenge" and want to be a part of an interesting "project". Edited April 19, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: How unlucky would he be, to get a club with stinking rich owners again, only to be sacked? I can see them wanting to go the superstar manager route, Pochettino etc defon ain't out of reach for them anymore. People point out "FFP" , however fail to acknowledge off the record "handshakes" and percs. PSG with Neymar for example, random Airline endorsements etc. When you've got enough power and money, there is always a way. There will be a few top players who might suddenly feel like they need a "new challenge" and want to be a part of an interesting "project". Just like city who got a ban? They wont be able to spend 200 or 300m a window withiut there being consequences for them. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a football club while this crisis is going on. And i would not want my club owned by this murderer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Just like city who got a ban? They wont be able to spend 200 or 300m a window withiut there being consequences for them. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a football club while this crisis is going on. And i would not want my club owned by this murderer I doubt that a ban from Europe would worry Newcastle, they've not needed to renew their passports for more than a few years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Sorry duplicated post. Edited April 19, 2020 by John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted April 19, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2020 Our owners are much more predictable and therefore our ownership is in a more stable state than it would be with those guys at helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 8 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Meanwhile.... Newcastle are being taken over by a government fund worth over 10 times a Man City ffs. Everytime we get new owners, with dosh, and I start seeing where we could possibly get in amongst the top 6 etc.... Another of our direct rivals gazump us ffs. Deja Vu with us and Lerner, Man City with Abu Dhabi I heard that Ashley had to borrow the intermediary £150m to enable the deal to happen. If that was the case (& I heard it on Talksport, so that's open to question) then does that bring into doubt how and whether money will flow upstream towards Newcastle? I take it the fit and proper test, will be restricted to a quick look at the size of the wallet in question, rather than on the wider "fit and proper" test of the owners themselves and where their fortune has come from, along with in what circumstances. Cash is king for the PL after all. You are correct, there is more than a touch of deja vu here and it won't make our plans for PL domination any easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: And yet poor paupers Liverpool sit 25 points top. It's not how much you have, it's what you do with it that matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 19, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2020 You would have thought with oil being phased out over the next decade or so these Middle Eastern money men would be more interested in investing in stable, profitable ventures and not pissing their money away on football clubs. Once the multi billionaire Arabs decide to exit in 10 - 15 years or so there is no one else left with that sort of money to go buying clubs for hundreds of millions. Unless the American tech multi billionaires decide to get involved but they seem to be more sensible than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 19, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2020 I'm pretty sure that our owners combined are way more than £5bn. Pretty sure Edens was over £2bn and he was substantially poorer than Sawiris. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, stewiek2 said: And yet poor paupers Liverpool sit 25 points top. It's not how much you have, it's what you do with it that matters. Spot on. We’ve consistently spent more than our league position reflects. Learner initially pumped in more than enough to get us fourth. Where he failed was to not have a proper football business structure in place and left MON and his inflated ego to do what he wanted. Money without brains might get you some successful football players. Money with brains gets you a successful football club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm pretty sure that our owners combined are way more than £5bn. Pretty sure Edens was over £2bn and he was substantially poorer than Sawiris. Yeah I remember reading about them a year ago and they were worth well past £ 10 bn. It's not that interesting either way as pointed out above. After you reach a limit it's more about how you run the club than anything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, stewiek2 said: And yet poor paupers Liverpool sit 25 points top. It's not how much you have, it's what you do with it that matters. True, but with that amount of money, you can literally scattershoot until it works. Mate its 260 BILLION, and that will just be what they know of. With that amount of money, I would probably have just put the big money into buying Man U if i'm honest. Edited April 19, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) its the hope that kills you... Newcastle's owners have an investment portfolio worth £260bn, that's assets not cash, they aren't selling their $3.5bn Uber shares to buy football players the hope should be that they're an investment company, mike Ashley has successfully taken a lot of money out of Newcastle, these guys could be doing exactly the same or they could do what Utd have done, spent a lot of cash very badly, i'd be happy if Bruce and the scouting team that got them joelinton had a couple of hundred million to spend at the moment we have owners that have shown they are more than willing to dip their hands in their pockets as much as FFP will allow them to do so, we cant complain and west brom, Fulham, Bristol, stoke all have billionaire owners, Barnsley were meant to have an incredibly rich owner, burnley on the other hand have owners worth a couple of hundred million and sit 10th in the PL Edited April 19, 2020 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm pretty sure that our owners combined are way more than £5bn. Pretty sure Edens was over £2bn and he was substantially poorer than Sawiris. True, Add to that, Sawiris family in total is worth well over 10 billion. Still, that Saudi fund is worth 25 times that, for context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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