Zatman Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, PaulC said: Why should that make a difference? In 1974/75 we won the bloody thing but still ended up winning our last eight games to get promoted. Because we havent finished the season and played 1 game after tge final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, nick76 said: No chance. The one thing we know is the PL have no balls, no way will they risk relegation based on the current position. The legal challenges alone....just not going to happen, it would be last last last resort. The issue is, the Premier League is a corporation with the 20 clubs each being a member. Any big decisions go down to a vote by each member and the majority rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Because we havent finished the season and played 1 game after tge final I know but I really think but for the coronavirus we would have got relegated. Performance at Leicester and the away games at Bournemouth and Southampton were shocking. Of course If it were to finish the season we have a much better chance of staying up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 In a month from now we the UK could still be losing 500 people per day, much like Italy currently. They won't be starting football in a month if that's still the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 hours ago, sidcow said: Yes, once players see nothing to play for anymore, in empty stadiums or training pitches, it's really difficult to see them going hell for leather. It might come down to how many on the beach teams each relegation candidate has to play compared to others. You might see some very silly results with some big clubs getting a right hiding which would never happen even when their season is over in front of full stadiums in a normal end of season encounter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 18, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2020 I'm having a bit of a brain fart - this'll be a ramble because I'm mostly just speaking out loud to try to make sense of it. I'm still trying to work back from the Wahhabist World Cup - that runs from 21st November to 18th December 2022 The players will need to be ready for that by early November - they'll need a short break and some time to acclimatise in the desert - and they'll want to have got the 2022-23 domestic season underway and have a fair bit of it under the belt by then - so lets assume the 2022-23 season will start a little earlier than usual, maybe a couple of weeks. That'll mean players back for pre-season in June 2022. They'll need a month off so we'd be looking at trying to finish the 2021-22 season a little early - perhaps right at the beginning of May. There's no problem in slightly squeezing the usual dates of a season, but 2021-22 can't start early because of the Euros - the 2021 Euros start on the 11th June and finish on 11th July - UEFA have already got those dates up - so you'd be looking for I think six weeks at least between then and the start of the season - time to get players a couple of weeks off at least and to get a pre-season in. So I'd say the 2021-22 season won't start until the very end of August or in September. Still, starting the 2021-22 season two or three weeks late and ending it two or three weeks early is still possible - it might require a furloughing of a domestic cup - but it is still possible to squeeze it in (as long as there aren't extra teams) - there'd be no winter break and Jurgen Klopp would cry and cry and cry - but it is possible - just about. It would put a fair amount of pressure on the players though and I wouldn't be too surprised if one or two take a break from international football next summer. So, the 2020-21 season - it would need to be done and dusted well in advance of the Euros starting on 11th June - so you'd be looking to have the season finished on the usual schedule with games ending in mid- May - as with 2021-22, you could truncate it slightly, get rid of that winter break, upset toothy Jurgen and co. and get it all into eight months rather than nine - but to do that, you'd absolutely need to be starting the 2020-21 season on time - that means mid August at the latest. There really isn't a lot of slack in those calendars - there's not a great deal of rest for players in there as it is - but the whole thing is pretty much reliant on a slightly squidged 2020-21 season beginning in mid-August - Saturday the 8th or the 15th most likely. That's 112-119 days from now, just 16 or 17 weeks away. So, in those 16 or 17 weeks, you have to fit in a pre-season of some sort - now that might not be the usual set of friendlies because the current season might barely be finished - but lets say there need to be a gap of at least a fortnight between the end of one season and the start of another. in the remaining 14 or 15 weeks, you have to fit in the end of the current season - that's 9-10 league games, the FA Cup, the Europa League and the Champions League - I reckon it's possible in eight weeks. In the 6 or 7 weeks before that kicks off, you'd need some sort of effort to let the players get to know each other again - at least a week, maybe two of training - that gives us maybe five weeks to get going. Five weeks from now is 23rd May. For me, if the players aren't in training and working toward kicking off the season at the end of the first week in June on 23rd May - then we're not going to get every tournament in by the start of the 2022 World Cup in Petro-land. It's a nigh on impossible calendar - moving the Euros into next summer and then having a stupid world cup in the middle of the season makes it ridiculously tight - and I haven't even tried to reckon on the dates of European finals, the World Cup Qualification games, or the Africa Cup of Nations - it's a chaotic mix. It's made worse in that every different contest has different people that profit - the Premier League have a TV deal, UEFA have a TV deal, FIFA have a TV deal, every league across Europe will have a deal that matters to either a club, a federation or some sort of sporting or broadcast corporation. In a similar way to the way in which the loss of income has shown up how much our league is an act of financial brinkmanship even with the enormous sums of money involved - the complications for rescheduling this seasons competitions show the degree to which the footballing calendar also lives right on the edge of its nerves - it didn't work to start with (ask Jurgen) and it's about to get very messy indeed. tl;dr - start at the beginning of June or forget about it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 13 hours ago, useless said: I didn't feel like reading this article from the Telegraph... but read this following sentence... 'Premier League clubs have been told that the 2020-21 season must start by the first week of September at the latest.' In other news Premier League clubs have been told to sit on the beach and stop the tide from coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, jim said: The issue is, the Premier League is a corporation with the 20 clubs each being a member. Any big decisions go down to a vote by each member and the majority rules. More proves my point that they more likely vote with members than outsiders which those in the championship are. Plus how do you relegate three teams. You could argue top two promoted but third promoted team isnt the third placed team, it's the winner of the playoffs between third to sixth place. I mean we got promoted and wasnt third. So to automatically relegate 3 teams that havent completed the season, promote 2 teams have havent completed the season and promote the third place team that even if ended up in 3rd place if all teams completed the season would only had a 25% chance of attaining promotion makes no sense. The more I think about it, the game in hand we have is a big thing on our side, that we are current incumbent of the league but also that 3rd promoted team is not from a set position in the league but a group of four teams through a playoff tournament also plays to advantage. Ideally we would complete the season and if we are one of the three worst teams then rightly we should be relegated but otherwise we shouldnt be relegated if season isnt completed Edited April 18, 2020 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaVilla Posted April 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2020 I said it before and I will say it again. The premier league is basically Nero fiddling while Rome burns, personally I think its rather disgusting all this obvious greed and desperation to finish the season. Not surprised though. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2020 I've seen 2 separate reports now from 2 different experts saying that a vaccine could be out by August albeit not in mass production. However you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be able to be purchased at great expense by people with the means, such as foot the ball clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, sidcow said: I've seen 2 separate reports now from 2 different experts saying that a vaccine could be out by August albeit not in mass production. However you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be able to be purchased at great expense by people with the means, such as foot the ball clubs. I've read that it could take up to 5 years or more before a vaccine is in mass production, and if it's done withing 2 years it would be a world record by some margin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, sne said: I've read that it could take up to 5 years or more before a vaccine is in mass production, and if it's done withing 2 years it would be a world record by some margin. Yes but this is more urgent because we need the Premier League completed. No. 1 priority for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Yes but this is more urgent because we need the Premier League completed. No. 1 priority for some Agreed, can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, sne said: I've read that it could take up to 5 years or more before a vaccine is in mass production, and if it's done withing 2 years it would be a world record by some margin. I've read different. One from head of vaccine research and development at Oxford University on Sky News yesterday and from a Government vaccine expert today on BBC virus live coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, sidcow said: I've read different. One from head of vaccine research and development at Oxford University on Sky News yesterday and from a Government vaccine expert today on BBC virus live coverage. It's bound to be a whole spectra of opinions on a subject like this. As I said I've read the opposite from among others the government coordinator of these things in Sweden, various medical experts and so on. 5-10 years in the normal time when developing a vaccine from scratch apparently. This one is obviously going to be pushed forward faster but something like a new Tami-flu will take time. Or so some of the experts say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, sne said: It's bound to be a whole spectra of opinions on a subject like this. As I said I've read the opposite from among others the government coordinator of these things in Sweden, various medical experts and so on. 5-10 years in the normal time when developing a vaccine from scratch apparently. This one is obviously going to be pushed forward faster but something like a new Tami-flu will take time. Or so some of the experts say. The gist of their comments its its not being developed from scratch and the Sars vaccine is their starting point due to similarities. Also they were on the cusp of developing universal vaccine techniques. The Government had piled millions in and they've dropped everything else to develop this. They will know end of May if it works and completed good enough human safety trials by August. Then it's ramping up manufacturing which will be the hard part. For that it's going to be handed over to the drug companies to mass produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, sidcow said: The gist of their comments its its not being developed from scratch and the Sars vaccine is their starting point due to similarities. Also they were on the cusp of developing universal vaccine techniques. The Government had piled millions in and they've dropped everything else to develop this. They will know end of May if it works and completed good enough human safety trials by August. Then it's ramping up manufacturing which will be the hard part. For that it's going to be handed over to the drug companies to mass produce. Best case scenario, hope it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 If we end up having to play just one more game to decide our fate (our game in hand) and it goes on live television and behind closed doors, that is not only going to be very stressful, it will also be very weird. For a start, we'll be able to hear what the players say to each other (which 'contains strong language'! Kick-off will need to be at or after the 9pm watershed!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) Or they don't have potch side microphones. What would beach there point anyway? Edited April 18, 2020 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2020 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm having a bit of a brain fart - this'll be a ramble because I'm mostly just speaking out loud to try to make sense of it. tl;dr - start at the beginning of June or forget about it. Why do I get the feeling that you’ve that about this more than anyone making the decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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