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21 minutes ago, useless said:

It's not impossible to play nine games when it's deemed safe to do so. I think people are just seeing what they want to see.

The important thing here is that we have to play ten games, not nine, and that is why they couldn't just say 'season finished, relegate them'.

Like you, I still think they will try and finish it behind closed doors but then abondon it as it becomes a farce due to further sickness/called off games/crowds of scouser gathering to celebrate.

The other alternative is to plan for no 20/21 season. And no one is going to want that. 

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The solution that's simplest is to play the two matches in hand and then declare the table as it stands, in line with the rule on the percentage of games played. That would mean us playing Sheffield Utd in a single game that decides relegation and the Champions league spots - which would be incredible.

However, they won't do that because this isn't about finishing the season - don't for a minute believe that this is about sporting integrity - they won't do that because two matches isn't enough for the TV money. The Premier league isn't interested in finishing the season for the benefit of the league - they're interested in completing the TV deal, the league is secondary to the money that comes from that.

 

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Their ivory tower is crumbling, 

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This is when the broadcasters now start withdrawing their money from football.

The revenue from the match events is already gone. In addition, football clubs' other cash flows are starting to stop.

On Tuesday, broadcaster Canal Plus announced that they will not pay the SEK 1.2 billion that the two highest French football leagues would receive on April 5. In a letter to the league association, published by French L'Equipe, channel manager Maxime Saada justifies the decision that Canal Plus itself lost large revenues on pay-TV and that at the same time advertising revenue is "in free fall".

"The biggest disaster in 75 years"

On the same day, the announcement also came that the streaming service DAZN also withholds its payments to the football leagues. The company operates in the USA, Canada, Brazil, Japan, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Germany and Austria and broadcasts Champions League, Premier League , La Liga , Bundesliga , Ligue 1 and Serie A , among others .

"This is the biggest disaster that has hit the sports world in 75 years and the biggest challenge our industry has ever faced," writes CEO Simon Denyer in an internal email warning him at the same time to dismiss staff.

The fear is now that the two attitudes of the two broadcasters will spread. In Germany, for example, the Bundesliga and the rights holder Sky are already discussing how to make future payments.

According to newspaper reports, Sky has the right to withhold the money until (if) the matches actually start. Something that would immediately crush the Bundesliga's plan to use even upcoming TV money as a down payment to clubs that are already severely affected by the crisis.

According to Independent, several major clubs in the second division are just weeks away from bankruptcy.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/a/K3mzJX/beskeden-som-kan-sla-sonder-fotbollen

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1 hour ago, sparrow1988 said:

It's FAI unless you're suggesting that the FA which runs football in Northern Ireland (IFA) or indeed the Irish Farmers Association (also IFA) built the Aviva. Of those three organisations I would suggest the last one is the most competent and most capable of efficiently building something. 

You're correct, and I'd definitely agree with your assessment on competence. I'm sure the Premier League have their own version of John Delaney chomping at the bit.

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27 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

The solution that's simplest is to play the two matches in hand and then declare the table as it stands, in line with the rule on the percentage of games played. That would mean us playing Sheffield Utd in a single game that decides relegation and the Champions league spots - which would be incredible.

However, they won't do that because this isn't about finishing the season - don't for a minute believe that this is about sporting integrity - they won't do that because two matches isn't enough for the TV money. The Premier league isn't interested in finishing the season for the benefit of the league - they're interested in completing the TV deal, the league is secondary to the money that comes from that.

 

Villa vs Sheffield United is also not the games tv companies want even if something on the line. 

Has nothing do with table but to get United, Liverpool etc back on TV

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1 hour ago, weedman said:

Lol at people who think they'll just end the season with the table as it stands. They'd be sued by just about everyone and they'd lose. There's no justification whatsoever to punishing teams when they haven't had an opportunity to compete. Not just the likes of us at the bottom but the likes of Sheff Utd at the top. Besides what about the playoffs below? No time to play them, do they just assume 3rd place goes up even though that's not in their rules? Only relegate and promote 2?

Although everyone would be annoyed at a voided season, they may try and sue, but realistically no one has achieved anything yet, so nothing is being taken away and therefore there really are no grounds for a lawsuit from the likes of Leeds or West Brom or Liverpool etc. Its not like the FA have got together to find a way to screw teams over, it's a global pandemic which is forcing us into this situation. Who would you sue? China? 

Even the oft cited promote the top 2 don't relegate anyone and have a 22 team league opens the FA up to lawsuits from everyone that misses out. That would mean the FA are saying that a teams "achievements" this season DO matter. The likes of Brentford or Forest nailed on for playoffs for example get that taken away from them in that situation. 

IMO the season has to be completed or voided. There can't be a middle ground 

Bang on. The last sentence in particular. Either this season completes by end of June, or it gets voided. The only thing that could change that is if this virus takes us towards the end of the year with still no football, in which case it becomes more feasible to finish the 2019/20 season in place of what would have been the 2020/21 season. 

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42 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

The solution that's simplest is to play the two matches in hand and then declare the table as it stands, in line with the rule on the percentage of games played. That would mean us playing Sheffield Utd in a single game that decides relegation and the Champions league spots - which would be incredible.

However, they won't do that because this isn't about finishing the season - don't for a minute believe that this is about sporting integrity - they won't do that because two matches isn't enough for the TV money. The Premier league isn't interested in finishing the season for the benefit of the league - they're interested in completing the TV deal, the league is secondary to the money that comes from that.

 

The only fixtures they care to broadcast concern the Sky 4. We all know this. I agree totally. This is just cynical gerrymandering from the higher-ups to save face, and most importantly, money.

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1 hour ago, useless said:

It's not impossible to play nine games when it's deemed safe to do so. I think people are just seeing what they want to see.

Yeah from a pure theory point of view but players won’t have played for months, match fitness, organisation of the games, what if players have the virus.  If it was purely Football Manager game then fine but there is so much around it that needs to be considered.

Whats the point of playing the final games when players aren’t match fit? It’s not a fair comparison compared to the first part of the season.  Will mid table teams that have nothing to play for risk players or really play competitively.

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Let's entertain the hypothetical 'final games'.

If we lose to Sheffield United behind closed doors, could the club not look to sue in some capacity, players unable to be fully fit due to factors including having caught the virus, self-isolating as a precaution, and observing social distancing and, therefore, unable to train as a team and tactically. The same applies to Sheffield United. What if players, staff, or medical services (already stretched) contract the virus. Or, the virus is spread to families and other members of the public. Especially as fans will find ways to congregate.

The Premier League would have another PR disaster. But money talks.

Logistically, it won't happen.

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2 minutes ago, sne said:

Football is a card house. 

Almost all the money in the game disappear into the pockets of the players and agents and the transfer fees are just made up sums with clubs moving money that doesn't exist between clubs.

Barca owes money to A Madrid who owes money to Benfica who owes money to Barca who owes money to PSG who owes money to Milan who owes money to Real Madrid who owes to Lyon who owes to Man U...

The actual money doesn't exist. And now the TV money is drying up. The leagues and clubs simpla has to finish their commitment to the broadcasting companies that holds the TV rights.

If they don't it will all implode. And I honestly hope it does.

So so true. This crisis might book end the sky tv money era from 1992 to 2020. Strange times.

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51 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

Let's entertain the hypothetical 'final games'.

If we lose to Sheffield United behind closed doors, could the club not look to sue in some capacity, players unable to be fully fit due to factors including having caught the virus, self-isolating as a precaution, and observing social distancing and, therefore, unable to train as a team and tactically. The same applies to Sheffield United. What if players, staff, or medical services (already stretched) contract the virus. Or, the virus is spread to families and other members of the public. Especially as fans will find ways to congregate.

The Premier League would have another PR disaster. But money talks.

Logistically, it won't happen.

A few players or staff still recovering or can't prepare properly means it's not going to happen for a long time IMO.  People have a few more things to worry about also.

I can't see it as you cant all be cheering down the road when there is still  god knows how many still on respirators in temp hospitals etc.

 

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People are starting to point the finger at Premier Clubs, particularly those that have furloughed none playing staff, that’s Newcastle, Norwich and Spurs. I think it is the Mayor of London who asked of Spurs, how can an club owned by a man worth £4bn, that made £68m last year, paid it’s chairman £7m and pays its players on average £70k a week, be asking the tax player to cover its back room staff wages?

It’s clearly morally wrong. However I have some sympathy for clubs because as we all know the vast majority of the money is sucked out of the game by players and their agents. Additionally any philanthropy from rich owners is stymied by the ridiculous not fit for purpose FFP rules. 
 

Broadcasters and administrators are looking equally shameful as the clubs. No one at the upper level of the football industry can see past the dosh. A defining time for the world’s greatest game that at the moment isn’t looking particularly good.
 

Whilst thousands are ill and dying and ordinary people are making extraordinarily efforts to try to get through this, football’s response so far has been to protect the flow of Champagne and stuff the rest of us. 

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