Premier League 2019-2020 Thread

[M_Afro]

29 minutes ago, romavillan said:

Our home games from now till the nd of the season are:

Watford
Spurs
Sheffield United
Chelsea
Wolves
Man U
Palace
Arsenal

We need to win min 3 of them, as long as all the others aren't defeats that should mean about 12 points from the home games so we'd need to pick up 6 points on the road to hit 40 points.

I think it's doable. We need 18 points, it's going to be tough but if Samatta (sp?) works out and we get another forward in that improves our front 3 then we've got every chance. Then a *normal* summer of investment and we should progress nicely, by normal I mean probably a similar spend but on 3 or 4 players rather than 15.

All of those games are winnable. We can’t afford any more injuries to our best players and are desperate for a couple more signings but we can definitely do it. 

[VillaChris]

Hopefully Leicester won't just donate three points to West Ham aswell on Wednesday, that's all we need.

[useless]

Premier League table after 23 games last season

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	Liverpool	23	19	3	1	54	13	41	60
2	Manchester City	23	18	2	3	62	17	45	56
3	Tottenham Hotspur	23	17	0	6	48	23	25	51
4	Chelsea	23	14	5	4	40	19	21	47
5	Arsenal	23	13	5	5	48	32	16	44
6	Manchester United	23	13	5	5	46	33	13	44
7	Watford	23	9	6	8	32	32	0	33
8	Wolverhampton Wanderers	23	9	5	9	27	31	-4	32
9	Leicester City	23	9	4	10	29	29	0	31
10	West Ham United	23	9	4	10	30	34	-4	31
11	Everton	23	8	6	9	34	33	1	30
12	AFC Bournemouth	23	9	3	11	33	42	-9	30
13	Brighton and Hove Albion	23	7	5	11	25	32	-7	26
14	Crystal Palace	23	6	4	13	23	32	-9	22
15	Southampton	23	5	7	11	25	40	-15	22
16	Burnley	23	6	4	13	23	43	-20	22
17	Newcastle United	23	5	6	12	19	31	-12	21
18	Cardiff City	23	5	4	14	19	44	-25	19
19	Fulham	23	3	5	15	21	51	-30	14
20	Huddersfield Town	23	2	5	16	13	40	-27	11

[turvontour]

48 minutes ago, villalad21 said:

People still convinced 38 pts will be enough to ensure survival? Not too sure anymore.

Have people been saying that? I think this will be one of those record setting min points needed for survival seasons, unfortunately for us.

[supermon]

It's our inability to take points off top half teams which is really costing us. We aren't going to beat every team that's in and around us. There's something not right when we play against better teams. 

We do look like one of the three worst teams in the league right now. Really hope we can turn things around soon.

[Tomaszk]

10 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

Hopefully Leicester won't just donate three points to West Ham aswell on Wednesday, that's all we need.

Ffs, you just know they're going to

[turvontour]

19 hours ago, terrytini said:

Well, as one who has said it, I stick by it.

Our season won’t stand or fall by our results against the Top Half. 

That doesn’t mean we can afford to lose all 20 games, because we won’t get 40 points from 18 games against the bottom half.

It doesn’t mean the results in those games, especially against 8,9,10, don’t matter at all, but it remains the case that if we continue getting the same points from the bottom half as we have so far we would have 32, so should only need a couple of Wins and a Draw or two against the Top 10......all ifs and buts but the real fight is the games against our rivals.

That’s only in terms of results. In terms of belief, energy, momentum etc, and slightly easing the pressure in the other games,  a good result or two against a Top Half side would work wonders, and be priceless.

What makes it worse, is that other than Liverpool, most of the other top teams are markedly weaker than they have been in previous seasons, with a couple as weak as they've been in a decade. If we were talking the United, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal etc of a few years ago, I wouldn't be so fussed about beating them. Arsenal have won the same number of games as us this season for christ sake, and one of them was against us.

[romavillan]

42 minutes ago, Pimlico_Villa said:

But, we don’t have a single striker. How can you be so confident when that is the case? 

Samatta is pretty much done isn't it? There will be one or two more in this month you'd think. 

[LondonLax]

Such an odd season. Like our last season in the Premier League when Leicester won it. 

[romavillan]

26 minutes ago, useless said:

Premier League table after 23 games last season

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	Liverpool	23	19	3	1	54	13	41	60
2	Manchester City	23	18	2	3	62	17	45	56
3	Tottenham Hotspur	23	17	0	6	48	23	25	51
4	Chelsea	23	14	5	4	40	19	21	47
5	Arsenal	23	13	5	5	48	32	16	44
6	Manchester United	23	13	5	5	46	33	13	44
7	Watford	23	9	6	8	32	32	0	33
8	Wolverhampton Wanderers	23	9	5	9	27	31	-4	32
9	Leicester City	23	9	4	10	29	29	0	31
10	West Ham United	23	9	4	10	30	34	-4	31
11	Everton	23	8	6	9	34	33	1	30
12	AFC Bournemouth	23	9	3	11	33	42	-9	30
13	Brighton and Hove Albion	23	7	5	11	25	32	-7	26
14	Crystal Palace	23	6	4	13	23	32	-9	22
15	Southampton	23	5	7	11	25	40	-15	22
16	Burnley	23	6	4	13	23	43	-20	22
17	Newcastle United	23	5	6	12	19	31	-12	21
18	Cardiff City	23	5	4	14	19	44	-25	19
19	Fulham	23	3	5	15	21	51	-30	14
20	Huddersfield Town	23	2	5	16	13	40	-27	11

Cardiff went down with 34 points, so could be that 38 is safe this year, 40 is still achievable for us though.

[useless]

What's noticable about that table is that Brighton looked to be pretty safe, but in the end only survived by two points, we're doing better than Cardiff were and Brighton themselves have less points now than at this stage last season. If a team this season has a similar drop in form, then as long as we keep up our current form, then we should be well placed to take advantage. I still wouldn't rule anyone out of the relegation battle from twelfth down.

[deeps]

3 minutes ago, useless said:

What's noticable about that table is that Brighton looked to be pretty safe, but in the end only survived by two points, we're doing better than Cardiff were and Brighton themselves have less points now than at this stage last season. If a team this season has a similar drop in form, then as long as we keep up our current form, then we should be well placed to take advantage. I still wouldn't rule anyone out of the relegation battle from twelfth down.

This 

[VillaChris]

What is a positive is we've just gone away and won at an away ground Leicester carelessly lost at today. We've also claimed a point on a ground that Chelsea could only get a draw on.

That means with an easier fixture list the away form is slowly improving.

If we can get two more wins on the road and a draw (let's say two wins at Bournemouth and Newcastle and draw at Southampton) then that would on its own take us up to 30 points and make the task at home much easier. We might then only need two home wins and a few draws.

[Laughable Chimp]

47 minutes ago, useless said:

Premier League table after 23 games last season

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	Liverpool	23	19	3	1	54	13	41	60
2	Manchester City	23	18	2	3	62	17	45	56
3	Tottenham Hotspur	23	17	0	6	48	23	25	51
4	Chelsea	23	14	5	4	40	19	21	47
5	Arsenal	23	13	5	5	48	32	16	44
6	Manchester United	23	13	5	5	46	33	13	44
7	Watford	23	9	6	8	32	32	0	33
8	Wolverhampton Wanderers	23	9	5	9	27	31	-4	32
9	Leicester City	23	9	4	10	29	29	0	31
10	West Ham United	23	9	4	10	30	34	-4	31
11	Everton	23	8	6	9	34	33	1	30
12	AFC Bournemouth	23	9	3	11	33	42	-9	30
13	Brighton and Hove Albion	23	7	5	11	25	32	-7	26
14	Crystal Palace	23	6	4	13	23	32	-9	22
15	Southampton	23	5	7	11	25	40	-15	22
16	Burnley	23	6	4	13	23	43	-20	22
17	Newcastle United	23	5	6	12	19	31	-12	21
18	Cardiff City	23	5	4	14	19	44	-25	19
19	Fulham	23	3	5	15	21	51	-30	14
20	Huddersfield Town	23	2	5	16	13	40	-27	11

Did the math, at this stage of the season the last time the bottom 3 combined had more points than the current bottom 3 happened 10 years ago, where 18th place was relegated with 39 points. No other team has been relegated with at least that amount of points since.

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by Laughable Chimp

[VillaChris]

Look at how far Fulham were behind then. Last season 19th and 20th were already relegated mentally. As bad as Bournemouth are they remain only 3 points adrift.

Also worth noting Newcastle under Rafa had 1 point fewer than we do now and they stayed up pretty comfortably. As did Burnley and Palace.

[jacketspuds]

Looking at Liverpool dismantling United only makes me more fearful for when we have to go there.

Play like we did last Sunday and our worst away defeat record could be broken.

[VillaJ100]

Also to note is Burnley (despite today) looked to be just as in the shit as they appear now. 

[OutByEaster?]

That Burnley result may be the worst single result of the season for us (outside of our own results). 

Of our remaining home games I think we have to look at Watford and Palace as potential points. I can't see us getting anything from Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal or Wolves and Sheffield United will be tricky - hopefully we fluke something out of one of those, but it's our away games against Bournemouth, Southampton, Newcastle and West Ham where we'll need to pick up points. 

14 more points will give us a shot at it, 15 will make us likely to stay up and I feel and 38 is pretty much guaranteed safety.  So, four wins and three draws from fifteen games should be enough. 

It's going to be as tight as a gnats chuff.

 

[romavillan]

Just now, OutByEaster? said:

That Burnley result may be the worst single result of the season for us (outside of our own results). 

Of our remaining home games I think we have to look at Watford and Palace as potential points. I can't see us getting anything from Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal or Wolves and Sheffield United will be tricky - hopefully we fluke something out of one of those, but it's our away games against Bournemouth, Southampton, Newcastle and Wet Ham where we'll need to pick up points. 

14 more points will give us a shot at it, 15 will make us likely to stay up I feel and 38 is pretty much guaranteed safety.  So, four wins and three draws from fifteen games should be enough. 

It's going to be as tight as a gnats chuff.

 

Play like we did away at Spurs and Arsenal at home and we could turn them over. Or at least get points. At home with VP rocking if we get about it we could do United, Wolves or the blades as well. I'm not by any means saying we will as we are not consistent enough over 90 minutes let alone week to week to know how it will go against anyone at the moment. It's not beyond us though. 3 wins at home and 1 away and a few draws is 15 points.

[Elton]

2 hours ago, jacketspuds said:

Looking at Liverpool dismantling United only makes me more fearful for when we have to go there.

Play like we did last Sunday and our worst away defeat record could be broken.

Guess you stopped watching after the first half. Liverpool away won’t be the reason we survive or get relegated.