Wezbid Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 The price they charge for clothing these days they bloody well better be sewn on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, Wezbid said: The price they charge for clothing these days they bloody well better be sewn on! I am sure they will be, Leeds gear was sewn on last year. Jack is either wearing a sample or a player issue track top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted June 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2019 I promise you I do have a job and I do actually do some work sometimes... but... this is fun! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Teale's 'tache said: I promise you I do have a job and I do actually do some work sometimes... but... this is fun! The black one and this latest white one are beautiful mate. Really good efforts. Almost disappoints me when the real shirts get released because mock ups like these are better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, lexicon said: It's hard to work with such a crappy logo. I imagine that's actually nicer than we'll get too because you've kept the kappa logo to a minimum, whereas I'm anticipating it to be plastered all over the sides of the kit. Kappa are well known for the repeating logo pattern, but they have done some kits recently where the logo is less prominent, see Leeds kit last year. From what I've read on here Fanatics will actually be putting together the designs and Kappa will be signing them off, they may demand the logo be more prominent but fingers crossed they won't. There will be separate guidelines for how the Kappa, W88 and our crest are allowed to be used so there are going to be some restrictions, I don't know what these guidelines are so it's easier for me to come up with something nice, it's going to be more difficult for the actual designers. Edited June 12, 2019 by Teale's 'tache Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Uncle Albert said: I think our badge is dreadful, looks so cheap, kind of badge a newly found mls team would have. I wonder when this fascination with hating our badge will fizzle out? It seems that unless we go back to the circular badge from the 80s, there will always be a section of fans that have issues with it. No matter what it looks like. I like our badge. I can see why people would prefer the circular one, because that one's as sexy as it gets, and it represents a bloody successful time. But even looking from those people's points of view, I don't see what's wrong with the current one. It's fine. Looks good. It's not ugly. It doesn't look anything like an MLS Philadelphia Bang Bang Cowboy Warriors type badge. It's also way better than a lot of British clubs' badges out there. Everton with their walnut whip ffs? Leeds with that monster of a badge a couple of years ago? Watford have a bloody moose on theirs, West Ham have a couple of daft hammers and Bournemouth's looks like a chap from Moana doing some Ronaldinho tricks I could go on. There are loads of terrible badges out there, but ours isn't one of them. IMHO, of course. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I look at other clubs when they modernize their badge and don't see how we would return to the 80s round badge, seems against all these trends and reasonings that everyone else is following im still pissed off about the star though, should be on the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I think the badge is fine. I've never disliked it. It stands out against a claret body, it's made up of our colours and it has a lion on it. I don't really see the issue. I do wish it said 'Prepared' on it still but que sera 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 As a designer who has on occasion had to design logos, I think our crest is fine. It's not amazing, it's not terrible. Changing it will be a headache though, when you consider how much it is used, how many sizes it is used in, how many different colours it might sit on, it's an incredibly difficult design. Even once you have a design in place it's a mammoth task to go around updating everything. Not to mention the number of people that will be peeved that any recent merchandise they've purchased is instantly out of date because of the change. In logo design, in general it's best to really simplify things down, it makes it easier to use at small sizes, easier to re-colour, easier to recognise at a glance. Look at Juventus' recent update, simple but effective that's the key. It sounds easy, but believe me it is not! That's why we reduced our name down to AVFC on the crest and lost the 'prepared' part, it was simplifying it down. I wouldn't be a logo only designer by trade, it's incredibly tough. I could have a go at doing us a new crest if people wanted though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: I could have a go at doing us a new crest if people wanted though? Nah Spoiler Thanks though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) I mean the actual tops released. Edited June 12, 2019 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Teale's 'tache said: As a designer who has on occasion had to design logos, I think our crest is fine. It's not amazing, it's not terrible. Changing it will be a headache though, when you consider how much it is used, how many sizes it is used in, how many different colours it might sit on, it's an incredibly difficult design. Even once you have a design in place it's a mammoth task to go around updating everything. Not to mention the number of people that will be peeved that any recent merchandise they've purchased is instantly out of date because of the change. In logo design, in general it's best to really simplify things down, it makes it easier to use at small sizes, easier to re-colour, easier to recognise at a glance. Look at Juventus' recent update, simple but effective that's the key. It sounds easy, but believe me it is not! That's why we reduced our name down to AVFC on the crest and lost the 'prepared' part, it was simplifying it down. I wouldn't be a logo only designer by trade, it's incredibly tough. I could have a go at doing us a new crest if people wanted though? And I think this is the issue - you are a professional and are looking at it from the industry point of view. You mentioned merchandising, simplifying, using different colours. I'm sure there are a million things fans are not aware of when it comes to these, it must be a hell of a job. I get that, but majority of the fans simply want a round shape crest that looks something along the lines of this: What is so hard about that? Edited June 12, 2019 by Mic09 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob182 said: I wonder when this fascination with hating our badge will fizzle out? It seems that unless we go back to the circular badge from the 80s, there will always be a section of fans that have issues with it. No matter what it looks like. I like our badge. I can see why people would prefer the circular one, because that one's as sexy as it gets, and it represents a bloody successful time. But even looking from those people's points of view, I don't see what's wrong with the current one. It's fine. Looks good. It's not ugly. It doesn't look anything like an MLS Philadelphia Bang Bang Cowboy Warriors type badge. It's also way better than a lot of British clubs' badges out there. Everton with their walnut whip ffs? Leeds with that monster of a badge a couple of years ago? Watford have a bloody moose on theirs, West Ham have a couple of daft hammers and Bournemouth's looks like a chap from Moana doing some Ronaldinho tricks I could go on. There are loads of terrible badges out there, but ours isn't one of them. IMHO, of course. I say it every year in these threads, since they made the little tweaks to our badge it's far far better. They may have been small things, but stuff like making the lion bigger, taking the extra writing off and giving it a white outline has made it look far cleaner. When it's on a kit with that proper 3D raised effect it looks pretty nice Is it an amazing crest? Nope Would I change it in an ideal world? Yeah probably But I don't think it's a huge issue. And it certainly isn't as bad as it used to be or as people like to make out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mic09 said: And I think this is the issue - you are a professional and are looking at it from the industry point of view. You mentioned merchandising, simplifying, using different colours. I'm sure there are a million things fans are not aware of when it comes to these, it must be a hell of a job. I get that, but majority of the fans simply want a round shape crest that looks something along the lines of this: What is so hard about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mic09 said: And I think this is the issue - you are a professional and are looking at it from the industry point of view. You mentioned merchandising, simplifying, using different colours. I'm sure there are a million things fans are not aware of when it comes to these, it must be a hell of a job. I get that, but majority of the fans simply want a round shape crest that looks something along the lines of this: What is so hard about that? Firstly, this doesn't scale down very well, having the text not straight but lining in a circle means it jumps around as you resize it down, also as it gets smaller you wouldn't be able to make out the details of the lion, it would become a bit of a splodge(technical term ). So for example, imagine you want to put this crest on something as small as a zipper on a coat, you wouldn't be able to make out any of the important details. In the current badge the AVFC is straight and larger so legible at a small size, and the lion is also bigger so the details can be made out at a smaller size than the one above. I'd also put forward that the yellow line against the sky blue background doesn't sit well, especially on a digital screen, the colours end up bleeding in to each other. It looks nice, but that's only half of a designers job, it also has to work practically. One of the posts above is correct though, if you look at some of the other clubs they don't play by these rules either, Sunderland being an example, that crest is no good for being part of a brand, it's way too detailed and out of date. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Teale's 'tache said: crest Yes please. Round please. @pablopicasso made one on here when Randy took over and it was miles better than the one we ended up with. Current one is a real honker, horrible. Don't mind "prepared" but when it was on the last version it was a different font on the same background looked like it was made on clipart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 No no, see all that marketing stuff and that technical reasoning. That's what some of us really don't want. We've done the crest thing to death a million times on here I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: Firstly, this doesn't scale down very well, having the text not straight but lining in a circle means it jumps around as you resize it down, also as it gets smaller you wouldn't be able to make out the details of the lion, it would become a bit of a splodge(technical term ). So for example, imagine you want to put this crest on something as small as a zipper on a coat, you wouldn't be able to make out any of the important details. In the current badge the AVFC is straight and larger so legible at a small size, and the lion is also bigger so the details can be made out at a smaller size than the one above. I'd also put forward that the yellow line against the sky blue background doesn't sit well, especially on a digital screen, the colours end up bleeding in to each other. It looks nice, but that's only half of a designers job, it also has to work practically. One of the posts above is correct though, if you look at some of the other clubs they don't play by these rules either, Sunderland being an example, that crest is no good for being part of a brand, it's way too detailed and out of date. Bit like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sne said: Bit like this? Yep, in my opinion this not a good logo for a brand to have. But that is just my opinion, where logo's/crests are concerned you are never going to make everyone happy, everybody seems to have a strong opinion on them and all you can do is try to please as many as you can whilst creating something that can actually function for it's intended use. Edited June 12, 2019 by Teale's 'tache Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Teale's 'tache said: actual function for it's intended use. which is what? to sell pencil sharpeners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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