fightoffyour Posted October 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2019 20 hours ago, Keyblade said: Hardly a surprise that we never wore this on the pitch. I’ve never seen footballers play in dressing gowns. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, fightoffyour said: Hardly a surprise that we never wore this on the pitch. I’ve never seen footballers play in dressing gowns. Jorge Campos came close 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, NIVillan said: Sorry my wording, I know they are seperate companies but fanatics do the production and supply of the kits, while Kappa and Luke were brought in for the design of the kit. So two different designers but exactly the same manufacturer of the kit. Meaning the same supply and quality issues whether Kappa or Luke Not sure I follow - how do you know that Kappa and Fanatics, use the same manufacturer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNVillan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, NIVillan said: Sorry my wording, I know they are seperate companies but fanatics do the production and supply of the kits, while Kappa and Luke were brought in for the design of the kit. So two different designers but exactly the same manufacturer of the kit. Meaning the same supply and quality issues whether Kappa or Luke Paging @NurembergVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyC_UTV Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 @MNVillan hope this helps you out... This article from April 2018 - http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/aston-villa-kit-supplier-innovative-deal-fanatics-luke-1977 Quote Aston Villa sign innovative kit deal with Fanatics and Luke 1977 Second-tier English soccer side Aston Villa have announced a ‘ground-breaking’ technical sponsorship deal with global apparel and merchandise giant Fanatics and local premium menswear brand Luke 1977. The three-way partnership will see Fanatics manufacture the Championship team’s kits for the 2018/19 season, with Luke 1977 set to play a key role in the design element of the uniforms, while the company’s logo will also be visible on the shirt. The agreement sees Villa expand their relationship with Fanatics, which already manages the club’s official store at their Villa Park home. Fanatics is renowned for its partnerships with North America’s major sports leagues, including the National Football League (NFL), National Basketball Association (NBA), Major League Baseball (MLB) and National Hockey League (NHL). The deal makes Villa the first English club to adopt the North American manufacturing model whereby Fanatics will manage the new kit from production to point-of-sale. and then this from May 2019 concerning Kappa - http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/aston-villa-kappa-kit-fanatics Quote Aston Villa sign three-year Kappa kit deal Fanatics to continue its third-party involvement. The three-way partnership will see Fanatics manufacture Villa’s kits, with Kappa set to play a key role in the design stage, while the Italian company’s logo will also be visible on the shirt. The deal continues the North American manufacturing model adopted by Villa last year, whereby Fanatics manages the new kit from production to point-of-sale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted October 31, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, MNVillan said: Paging @NurembergVillan Think I covered this a few pages back, but my understanding is this - Luke kit = designed by Fanatics, approved by AVFC, approved and "sponsored" by Luke, manufactured by Fanatics. Kappa kit = designed by Fanatics, approved by AVFC, approved, "sponsored" and manufactured by Kappa who wanted their seasonal templates and factories. So Fanatics designed both kits, but when Kappa got involved this year the designs in principal were signed off by the club but Kappa wanted their own templates so took, for example, the green colour with graphics, red badge etc and applied it to their shirt design for the season. They then ran it through their own factories. I know the folks who handled some of the manufacturing for Fanatics/Luke and know that they were taken off it when Kappa got involved. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, hippo said: Did we ? - I thought we had multiple kits over the seasons - but its wrong to say it was exclusively white in the 1970's It was yellow going into the 70's (69-74) but after that it was white until the Henson yellow mita kit with the v-neck that came down to your belly button in 85 Edited October 31, 2019 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Cheers for the answers. Found it strange that Kappa would allow fanatics to continue to manufacturer the kit as in the initial report (as listed above) Also people should note who actually designed the kit, it wasn't Luke or Kappa. I wonder if Kappa will get more involved in the design of the next batch of kits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Some Luke stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 21 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: Think I covered this a few pages back, but my understanding is this - Luke kit = designed by Fanatics, approved by AVFC, approved and "sponsored" by Luke, manufactured by Fanatics. Kappa kit = designed by Fanatics, approved by AVFC, approved, "sponsored" and manufactured by Kappa who wanted their seasonal templates and factories. So Fanatics designed both kits, but when Kappa got involved this year the designs in principal were signed off by the club but Kappa wanted their own templates so took, for example, the green colour with graphics, red badge etc and applied it to their shirt design for the season. They then ran it through their own factories. I know the folks who handled some of the manufacturing for Fanatics/Luke and know that they were taken off it when Kappa got involved. So as expected it's KAPPA that is responsible for this shambles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 1, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2019 The sooner we get out of the Fanatics deal and into a "normal" position where a regular manufacturer can make a deal to design and manufacture our kits the better in my opinion. For me Fanatics have been an utter failure from day one - the deal doesn't work - and for outside companies, having to enter into partnership with them means that the product, the ownership of Villa's kit, is devalued when people are looking to approach us. Kappas manufacture may well be crap - but better companies than Kappa wouldn't want to have to partner with Fanatics - they'd want their own controls. Selling off our store and kit merchandising lock, stock and barrel to Fanatics has also prevented us from linking supporter initiatives to our own merchandise - they're the reason why season ticket holders can't get kit discounts, they're the reason why you can't link reward points to kits - Aston Villa don't own that stuff, Fanatics do - and you're not a season ticket holder for or a member of Fanatics. Luke Organ made a deal that was designed to bring in money quickly - it was much needed at the time, we were skint and needed to find a way to sell off what we could to survive - I don't blame him for making that deal, it wasn't bad for the club we were then. In my opinion, it's horrendous for the club we are now. Does anyone know when it ends? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 1, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: The sooner we get out of the Fanatics deal and into a "normal" position where a regular manufacturer can make a deal to design and manufacture our kits the better in my opinion. For me Fanatics have been an utter failure from day one - the deal doesn't work - and for outside companies, having to enter into partnership with them means that the product, the ownership of Villa's kit, is devalued when people are looking to approach us. Kappas manufacture may well be crap - but better companies than Kappa wouldn't want to have to partner with Fanatics - they'd want their own controls. Selling off our store and kit merchandising lock, stock and barrel to Fanatics has also prevented us from linking supporter initiatives to our own merchandise - they're the reason why season ticket holders can't get kit discounts, they're the reason why you can't link reward points to kits - Aston Villa don't own that stuff, Fanatics do - and you're not a season ticket holder for or a member of Fanatics. Luke Organ made a deal that was designed to bring in money quickly - it was much needed at the time, we were skint and needed to find a way to sell off what we could to survive - I don't blame him for making that deal, it wasn't bad for the club we were then. In my opinion, it's horrendous for the club we are now. Does anyone know when it ends? My understanding is that it's a 3 year deal, so we'll have another season of Fanatics/Kappa, then one more of just Kappa. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 So who's fault is it that the stock levels are piss poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 12 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: My understanding is that it's a 3 year deal, so we'll have another season of Fanatics/Kappa, then one more of just Kappa. From an outsider who knows feck all about this kinda stuff, who just thinks the shirts are shite... are there any ways for us to buy us out of this deal? How much money are we talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Currently 20% off player printed shirts from the Villa Store. Thinking of getting the third shirt. Is the general consensus to go a size up on the non elite fit shirts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I get his reasons organ for doing this but it is utter shit deal for us fans. Fanatics are been a complete and utter disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 01/11/2019 at 16:20, OutByEaster? said: The sooner we get out of the Fanatics deal and into a "normal" position where a regular manufacturer can make a deal to design and manufacture our kits the better in my opinion. For me Fanatics have been an utter failure from day one - the deal doesn't work - and for outside companies, having to enter into partnership with them means that the product, the ownership of Villa's kit, is devalued when people are looking to approach us. Kappas manufacture may well be crap - but better companies than Kappa wouldn't want to have to partner with Fanatics - they'd want their own controls. Selling off our store and kit merchandising lock, stock and barrel to Fanatics has also prevented us from linking supporter initiatives to our own merchandise - they're the reason why season ticket holders can't get kit discounts, they're the reason why you can't link reward points to kits - Aston Villa don't own that stuff, Fanatics do - and you're not a season ticket holder for or a member of Fanatics. Luke Organ made a deal that was designed to bring in money quickly - it was much needed at the time, we were skint and needed to find a way to sell off what we could to survive - I don't blame him for making that deal, it wasn't bad for the club we were then. In my opinion, it's horrendous for the club we are now. Does anyone know when it ends? Looking at the merchandising offering in general, things are just not like they used to be. I remember the excitement as a kid of looking though the merchandise catalogue. I always loved seeing the different framed prints you could buy. These days, you cannot even buy a binder for the programme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Anyone received their green third shirts yet? Quality any better than the home/away? Edited November 12, 2019 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNVillan Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 11:26, Ingram85 said: Anyone received their green third shirts yet? Quality any better than the home/away? Yes and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I popped into the shop yesterday before taking an exam in the 82 lounge - an unusual venue for a Trusts and Estates Accounting exam! Anyway, if you don't want to buy clothes, there is so little on offer it's unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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