dukes Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: That link covers 4 years (and 1 month). 24 players, or 6 per year, 3 per window on average... Summer 2011 = 4 signings January 2012 = 4 signings Summer 2012 = 6 Signings January 2013 = 1 signing 15 Players in his first two seasons ! Summer 2013 = 2 signings January 2014 = 1 signing Summer 2014 = 6 Signings January 2015 = 1 signing What difference is there between what Allardyce did in 20111/2012 (signing 15 players) and what Villa have done this summer ? Apart from the obvious fact that Villa had to replace ageing players and increase the quality to allow for the fact that we have been promoted to a tougher division. And of those players how many worked out ? Relevant only because he claims he'd spend £100M on just 3 players because he wouldn't want to affect the balance of the squad, which is a total lie (even given inflation of transfer fees over the years I can't see Vaz Te, Ravel Morrison and Nicky Maynard being worth £100M in 2019. Anyway he's a dinosaur who clearly had no understanding of our position following the play-off final. Edited August 2, 2019 by dukes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Mazrim said: So basically the argument is keeping most of Bruces Villa squad together and almost certainly being relegated. Or using our owners immense financial wealth to alliw our manager to build his own team and give us the best chance of competing... Sorry, which one was the risk again? I don't think that was exactly how @Genie presented it, no. I think Genie was thinking more along the lines of us having a better chance of survival if we had a team something like below, by spending £120m on 6 quality first team players and not having the risk of an overhaul causing as much disruption. ST LW RW McGinn Grealish DM Taylor CB CB Guilbert Steer Imagine if those 6 new players above were all of a high level of quality, possibly with proven Prem experience. Would that give us a better chance of survival? Who knows. We'd have a much weaker bench and squad overall, but then perhaps giving an extra year to the likes of Whelan, Adomah, Hutton (etc) would have kept together a better team spirit than the one we're now having to rebuild (albeit, having a huge drop in quality if the first team had any injuries). Who knows? I don't think the amount of ridicule that @Genie has received is fair though. People are just taking half of what he's said and jumping on it, instead of actually considering whether spreading our money across fewer players could have been a viable alternative. Edited August 2, 2019 by Rob182 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mazrim Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Raver50032 said: Not really, we all thought Collymore was talking sense when he was barracking Lescott?Richards and co. If you like someone's opinion and it matches your own, 'you'll' (as in the royal 'you'll) believe it more. If you think someone is a cockwomble but still accept what they are saying, you'll listen with confirmation bias and others, you'll dismiss because they don't share your view. It's part of life. It's not really an issue is it? Anyway, peace be with you, and back on the Happy Bus Makes no sense to me. If I agree with somebody its because they think as I do on a particular point. It doesn't mean I am dogmatically all in. So it is possible to agree with Allardyce on an issue and still think he's a fool. As it happens I rarely agree with him. You assume I will believe anything that is positive regarding Villa, which is a bit patronising and untrue. Good luck on the funbus though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HalfTimePost Posted August 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2019 Can we move on from Sam Allardyce's signings from 5-9 years ago please? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Until we open the box we are in a superposition of being relegated and champions. I think we have bought some cool cats though . 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichiBoi11 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 What has this thread become? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Can we move on from Sam Allardyce's signings from 5-9 years ago please? Jog on mate, this is Fat Sam Talk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Brumerican said: Until we open the box we are in a superposition of being relegated and champions. I think we have bought some cool cats though . Schrodinger can **** off and all. The only true superposition is reverse cowgirl. Edited August 2, 2019 by Mazrim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Okay, I work in the rail industry... and that looks a lot like Watford Junction railway station (southern end) and that is a London Overground train in the background... Where is he off to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted August 2, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Raver50032 said: Okay, I work in the rail industry... and that looks a lot like Watford Junction railway station (southern end) and that is a London Overground train in the background... Where is he off to? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 McBurnie just signed for Sheffield United. Leaves us free to sign Maupay unless we have someone else lined up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blunther Posted August 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2019 I saw tons of pages since yesterday and thought something had happened. **** sake lads. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 In order of preference if we're signing a winger... Said Benrahma > Jarrod Bowen > Harry Wilson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Makes no sense to me. If I agree with somebody its because they think as I do on a particular point. It doesn't mean I am dogmatically all in. So it is possible to agree with Allardyce on an issue and still think he's a fool. As it happens I rarely agree with him. You assume I will believe anything that is positive regarding Villa, which is a bit patronising and untrue. Good luck on the funbus though. Not trying to patronise anyone, so <shrug> sorry if that's how you've taken it. Absolutely, you can think of Allardyce as a fool (as do I mostly) but occasionally, he'll say something that 'we' do actually agree with. Same with Collymore and Mills... The likelihood is, that all of the sources that Genie quoted (and was shot down by one poster) are more credible than you or I to have an educated opinion from the industry perspective having been involved in the industry of football over time in a variety of roles. They might be proved right, they hopefully, will be proven wrong. But nobody can just turn round and say that those three sources don't add any weight to the debate. What I was trying to say was, had Allardyce, Collymore and Mills all been on the Fun Bus with us and said the Club were doing an amazing job, even with a slight amount of caution relating to the risk, (you, as in the 'royal you') regardless of whether the masses believed them to be fools/cockwombles etc, would be given a lot more credence on here because it matches the general feeling of us as fans. If that doesn't apply to you then fair enough. Imagine if the young lady doing the Q&A on Youtube asking the question about whether Villa were 'doing a Fulham' had upheld the notion that indeed that was what we were doing... She'd be pulled apart on here and no mistake. Come on, patronising or not, you know that's how it would play out on here. Anyway, we seem to agree that Villa have done the right thing this summer, and that Allardyce is a fool. Have a great day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig4villa Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Raver50032 said: Okay, I work in the rail industry... and that looks a lot like Watford Junction railway station (southern end) and that is a London Overground train in the background... Where is he off to? Dean Smith standing behind him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooley22 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: In order of preference if we're signing a winger... Said Benrahma > Jarrod Bowen > Harry Wilson. For the prices being quoted for Benrahma and Wilson i think we would be better off going for Hakim Ziyech from Ajax, Was brilliant in the Champions league last year and his release clause is reported to be £25 Million. Would be a huge statement signing Edited August 2, 2019 by Mooley22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Is it greedy to want & expect Benrahma , berardi & Phillips before Thursday ... chuck in hogan & Lansbury/Bree or Chester to sweeten the deal for Leeds... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, thabucks said: Is it greedy to want & expect Benrahma , berardi & Phillips before Thursday ... chuck in hogan & Lansbury/Bree or Chester to sweeten the deal for Leeds... It's been an amazing summer hasn't it? Quite spectacular... The kind of greed and gluttony it feels like as we ponder who is coming next is how I imagine Boxing Day to be with chocolate smeared all around my mouth and an incriminating half empty tub of Cadbury Heroes in my hand with the lid off and up to my ankles in shiny, crinkly wrappers. Striker my priority... preferably an Option A name/fee... just because. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Genie said: I am still staggered at how closed your mind is. That there is more than 1 way to do something. That someone has a different view. We haven't even kicked a ball in the premier league yet but you're completely closed to the fact that we've pulled off a series of master strokes. Open your mind to other possibilities. You're selling your opinions as facts. You're labeling differing opinions as stupidity. Sadly your opinion doesn't make sense. Of the players that we released only 2 were even close to good enough for championship football adomah and whelan. Of those 2 we have found 2 suitable replacements for each of them. On top of that both of them were liabilities in games against the top teams in the championship whelan because he was too slow and adomah because he was crap. Maybe we could have stuck to 1 player at each position and not brought in konsa, trezeguet and nakamba. But then if we got an injury we would be playing elmo right wing and hourihane at defensive midfield which he is no more than a 3rd stringer for (he is good enough as a backup in attacking roles) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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