A'Villan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Enda said: It’s not stupid to say we should hold back 10 million in reserve in case Wesley completely flops or Targett breaks his leg. It’s a legitimate argument, even if you and I may strongly disagree with it. Yer even proving my point. But we are actively targeting another striker, as Smith has apparently said. We won't be held to ransom by Brentford, that's the hold up regards one striker. I don't think the intention or plan is to go into the season solely reliant on Wes coming good. Even if he does, a backup or partner would be an ideal option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I agree with you, @A’Villan. Disagreed with the pile-on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: I agree effectively signing a whole new team after promotion is a risk. The optimal situation would be to finish top of the league, keep the core of that squad together and add a handful of genuine quality to the mix. A bit like Newcastle's path a few seasons back. We did not have that option unfortunately and I believe the current strategy is the best possible approach we could have taken, given the hand we were dealt. If you look at the list posted earlier: Signing fewer (but I assume more expensive) players on the right column would require keeping more players from the left column. Of those players on the left I think we have kept everyone we would have liked to with the exception of for Abraham and Tuanzebe (who we can assume were not available to sign). I think relying on more players from the list on the left (presumably Adomah, Whelan and De Laet? I can't see who else we'd be considering?) would have left us exposed at times during the season. Whilst we have spread our transfer spend more widely than would be ideal under the perfect promotion scenario I think it has been necessary. In addition many of the players who have come in have previous links to either the manager or other players in the squad giving them the best hope of integration. I agree. I don't have any issue with any of the players that we let go of, the obvious exception being Tammy and Axel but assuming they weren't available. If the rest of the players on the left list were good enough to make the step up then why havent any other premier league teams taken them on frees? Id be hugely surprised if any of them are playing premier league football next year. Whilst i'm slightly concerned some of the players we've signed won't be at the required level, I also dont think that signing 5-6 £25m players instead would have been that easy. Wether we like it or not, we are still a promoted club and will be one of the favourites to go down and that may not be that attractive to a lot of players in that bracket. Wages may be an issue too. One of the positives about the number of signings we've made is that at least we have genuine competition for places in nearly very position on the pitch now which can't be a bad thing. We also have some decent squad depth too now and actually own the players too Edited August 2, 2019 by Biskitt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Steer and Whelan but Whelan is 87 years old or thereabouts They were fine, but I don't think they were more than that. Although Steer had a good run and won us the match against WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thats2 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Enda said: It’s not stupid to say we should hold back 10 million in reserve in case Wesley completely flops or Targett breaks his leg. It’s a legitimate argument, even if you and I may strongly disagree with it. Yer even proving my point. I strongly suspect we will have 10 million available (at least) in January, no matter what we spend now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Mazrim said: Another favorite is "waiting until January'. See how you get on. Then, after 5 months of suffering, and another month because nothing happens until all the posturing is finished at the of January, you pay way over the odds for the players the elite have left you with. All because you tried to get Wesley and Jota to gel with Hutton and Whelan due to sone curious notion that you can only buy x players at a time. 3 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Saying beef up with signings in January was probably the stupidest comment but I chose not to respond to that out of restraint I must have must understood what the point of a mid season transfer window was for. Keep up the bullying and hounding though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KenjiOgiwara Posted August 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2019 Went to sleep. And when I wake up this thread had gained 14 pages. Got excited about some new transfers and you are still discussing the same shit. Sweet Jesus. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Remember this time last year, when Brucie had banished all our defenders and not replaced them? Those were the days. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Transfer talk I was hoping for, not pages of sillyness, I agree with Kenji, sweet Jesus.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: The "you need premier league experience if promoted to premier league" is a load of wank and has been debunked in articles using recent clubs as examples Our miserable relegation season had Joe Cole, Richardson, Lescott, Richards all Premier League winners. Surely that was enough experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratvillan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 9 hours ago, New_Hope said: Struggling to see what's not to like! Brilliant summary. The decision to sign so many players was not really a decision but a necessity. I can't see how slowly embedding players would have worked. Which of the players we've let go would have cut it in the prem? Tammy and Tuanzebe? Neither wanted / were able to stay. Whole transfer window may not work. Keeping the majority of last year's squad definitely wouldn't have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, Zatman said: Our miserable relegation season had Joe Cole, Richardson, Lescott, Richards all Premier League winners. Surely that was enough experience Jesus. I totally forgot about Joke Cole. The horror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Ponky said: Remember this time last year, when Brucie had banished all our defenders and not replaced them? Those were the days. He was building a play off winning squad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Enda said: It’s not stupid to say we should hold back 10 million in reserve in case Wesley completely flops or Targett breaks his leg. It’s a legitimate argument, even if you and I may strongly disagree with it. Yer even proving my point. Who says we haven't? Why not sign that player now? Sorry if that seems harsh, I feel like they're valid questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2019 We're making a few waves it seems....https://www.ilposticipo.it/calcio/altro-che-manchester-city-la-squadra-che-spende-di-piu-in-premier-league-e-una-neopromossa/?intcmp=gazzanet-aston-villa&refresh_ce-cp "Forget Man City, the biggest spending team in the Premier League is newly promoted..." Goes on to say we've been reborn since going down and coming back up showing a lot of ambition could the next step for a reinvigorated Aston Villa be a european spot? I won't transate it all, but it's something I missed a couple of weeks back, thought it was interesting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I don’t really see why people are struggling with @Genie‘s opinion. I don’t agree with it personally. But he does make a good point that bringing in so many new players is risky. There are countless examples of that not working (and also plenty of examples of it absolutely working) my personal opinion is that’s less risky than keeping more of the players we released, but I can certainly see where he’s coming from. But your final point is why people are struggling. It's quite clearly less of a risk than giving contracts to hutton, whelan and jedinak and hoping they can perform at this level. When there is no real alternative approach it seems strange to criticise the one that makes the most sense and carries the least amount of risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Feet Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Jesus. I totally forgot about Joke Cole. The horror I say Joe Cole was the successful one because I'm sure Jack has said on the record that’s who he’s learnt the most from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Genie said: I must have must understood what the point of a mid season transfer window was for. Keep up the bullying and hounding though. Bullying? Give over. It's just that multiple people found some of your comments somewhat baffling and gave you reasons as to why. If you post something that goes against the grain then people are going to respond. The fact that many people have responded just suggests how against the grain your view is. It doesn't mean bullying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Went to sleep. And when I wake up this thread had gained 14 pages. Got excited about some new transfers and you are still discussing the same shit. Sweet Jesus. Considering we’ve signed on average about 1.9 players per week this window, one should chill out and get on the happy bus IMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mic09 said: He was building a play off winning squad "Chester lad, I know you're injured but pull wor socks up and be my only defender as we push for the title" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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