Popular Post rodders0223 Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mazrim said: Your average football fan when at last, their club spend a load of money on well thought out transfers and play really good football... "Finally..." Agreed, but I think those fans who want us to spend £30m on players, £100m net spend and make some marquee signings don't really realise where this club is at right now and what it took to get back here. Would it be exciting - it sure would. Would it be sensible - no it wouldn't. "but these owners mean business" I hear you cry - so did Randy and Tony. There is an increasing reliance on rich benefactors, the best thing for this club is for this club to spend sensibly, if it means risking a slog of a relegation battle then so be it. We have to build half a team and more, and get results from the off with unfamiliar faces. It's already going to be a relegation battle no matter what we spend. Some people are going to be very, very disappointed I feel. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post New_Hope Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 It's all about survival this season whilst laying the foundations of a team that will develop and get better year after year. P.s. doesn't mean I lack ambition.....Just being realistic! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Agreed, but I think those fans who want us to spend £30m on players, £100m net spend and make some marquee signings don't really realise where this club is at right now and what it took to get back here. Would it be exciting - it sure would. Would it be sensible - no it wouldn't. "but these owners mean business" I hear you cry - so did Randy and Tony. There is an increasing reliance on rich benefactors, the best thing for this club is for this club to spend sensibly, if it means risking a slog of a relegation battle then so be it. We have to build half a team and more, and get results from the off with unfamiliar faces. It's already going to be a relegation battle no matter what we spend. Some people are going to be very, very disappointed I feel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mazrim Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Sensible is subjective. I think sensible is putting a squad on the pitch that can stay in the league. Conversely, modest spending that will not is lunacy. Yes Randy and Xia meant business. And Lerner might have succeded but for a divorce and a manager who lacked a passport. However, we've never had this level of financial power and expertise. And with a squad in name only, now is not the time for modest measures. Edited June 11, 2019 by Mazrim 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Let me rephrase that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: There's a lot of bang average PL teams that would struggle for Championship promotion if they dropped. I'm quite calm and confident I mentioned this not long after we were confirmed up. Despite Dean saying the season target is to finish 1st - which I applaud - as a first stage target, we only need to be better than three of the other teams there. And I'm pretty certain we will be be, so I'm sharing the calmness. Whilst I like the notion of Dean saying "1st", realistically we aren't going to storm the league first season back and do a Leicester. I'd like to think we will do a solid consolidation job and be quite a bit better than the "Doomed 3" and be mid-table but looking promising for the following season to push for European football. As @Mazrim rightly points out, we need to invest to capitalise on the achievement of getting back. If we do OK, we'll likely keep our best players, if we drop I don't see Jack, for example, hanging around a second time. And as for mentions of Fulham spending big and going down (I think 'Boro did something similar years ago, if memory serves), emulation of action doesn't equal identical outcome. Any penalty shootout shows you that, eh Baggies? Ten men step up, not all score and only one team gets to go home and **** the Prom Queen(s). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hobbit Feet Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Given you can get the rest of him £18.5 million, i would seriously consider buying a testicle-less player. This is where you are a typical villa fan. Short sighted. You should use his testicle and breed many many mini hazards for the future not just spend the money for instant results for about the 2 years he has left at the top. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, ender4 said: and Chester might be broken. and Taylor might not actually be Premier League standard. It's just mental how much work Deano and the board are stuck with this summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, privateer said: I'd like to think we will do a solid consolidation job and be quite a bit better than the "Doomed 3" and be mid-table but looking promising for the following season to push for European football. Whilst i hope you are right, i think you'll be disappointed as it seems pretty unrealistic. Mid-table (ie: 8-12th?) in the first season back?! Realistically, i think everyone knows its about trying to finish 17th and then building in future seasons from there. We've currently got 2 players who are possibly mid-table players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hobbit Feet said: This is where you are a typical villa fan. Short sighted. You should use his testicle and breed many many mini hazards for the future not just spend the money for instant results for about the 2 years he has left at the top. Little Bio-Hazards? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, terrytini said: Amazing how many fans have a good idea of our budget. If you listen to the Jonny Gould podcast with Dave Jordan (@YorkshireAVFC), he analysed our FFP situation and concluded that conservatively we have circa £140m to spend this window next season without encroaching in PL profitability and sustainability rules. This assumes we finish 20th and don't improve on our commercial deals and don't sell anyone. This sets the logical marker, however our owners could spend double that out of their own pocket if unconstrained. Add into this the release of out of contract, elderly players and deadwood and return of loans, we do need 8-10 players of a decent quality to improve our squad bearing in mind we finished 5th in the Championship last season. So it not really rocket science to TBH I think we have made a good start: El Ghazi, Hause and Jota are all decent squad members for £15m, so there's 3 already, so the average spend is £5m so far. If we get Mings for £15m that's another good value signing. Just need some free transfers/out of contract and maybe a good season loan. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, LakotaDakota said: No we don't. We have Elmo (165 appearances) & Taylor (131 appearances). Next closest to them is Chester with 60. Those 3 each averaged 75-85 minutes played per game . Grealish only made 34 appearances and averaged 48 minutes per game. Other than that there is very little PL experience left in our squad at all Many of our squad are also internationals so have played high level competitive football. I'm sure this will be addressed as we have mr Terry in the backroom team who is more experienced than anyone when comes to highest level football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Agreed, but I think those fans who want us to spend £30m on players, £100m net spend and make some marquee signings don't really realise where this club is at right now and what it took to get back here. Would it be exciting - it sure would. Would it be sensible - no it wouldn't. Some people are going to be very, very disappointed I feel. If you look at the squad we had last season when we finished 5th in the Championship, we've lost Mings, Abraham and let go of 8 players. If we don't spend ~£100m we've no hope. I don't think it's feasible to try to sign 8 players for ~£8m each on average and hope to compete. If we were in the champiomship with the squad we have now we'd finish around 10th - 12th. That's the stark reality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Many of our squad are also internationals so have played high level competitive football. I'm sure this will be addressed as we have mr Terry in the backroom team who is more experienced than anyone when comes to highest level football. Who? The same 3, elmo with 85 for egypt, Chester & Taylor have played 30-40 for Wales, Mcginn has played a few games for scotland, Hogan has played a couple of friendlies for ROI, Hourihane has played a handful for ROI, Thor has played loads for iceland, Kodija has played less than 20 for ivory coast & kalinic has played less than 20 for croatia. Most of these players won't even be on the bench next year, let alone part of the reguar starting 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Being an internation don't mean s***. If Hogan can play for ROI then so can I. We need at least 8 players. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I wouldn’t mind a few loans (with option to buy) like we have done the past few seasons. Maybe get Wilson, Tomori, or a few other squad players from City, Liverpool or Chelsea. It’s a tournament year with Euro 2020, so some players might look for game time. we will at least have a bigger squad without having to spend too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KH** Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I think we’d be stupid to rule out using the loan market 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: It's just mental how much work Deano and the board are stuck with this summer I fear it’s an impossible task Edited June 11, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, thunderball said: If you listen to the Jonny Gould podcast with Dave Jordan (@YorkshireAVFC), he analysed our FFP situation and concluded that conservatively we have circa £140m to spend this window next season without encroaching in PL profitability and sustainability rules. This assumes we finish 20th and don't improve on our commercial deals and don't sell anyone. This sets the logical marker, however our owners could spend double that out of their own pocket if unconstrained. Add into this the release of out of contract, elderly players and deadwood and return of loans, we do need 8-10 players of a decent quality to improve our squad bearing in mind we finished 5th in the Championship last season. So it not really rocket science to TBH I think we have made a good start: El Ghazi, Hause and Jota are all decent squad members for £15m, so there's 3 already, so the average spend is £5m so far. If we get Mings for £15m that's another good value signing. Just need some free transfers/out of contract and maybe a good season loan. Listening to Simon Jordan on the subject of FFP he explained that the actual amount paid for a player does not immediately affect the balance sheet as the player becomes an asset on one side and his cost a negative on the other side. It is the wages and amortization that affect FFP. amorization means that a players asset value is written down by dividing his cost by the length of his contract. Therefore this is the type of calculation the club would make when working out how much they could spend in terms of transfer fees paid. And breathe!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, KH** said: I think we’d be stupid to rule out using the loan market I really agree with you on that. If we can have a defender on loan, maybe a striker if we can’t afford the quality in terms of buying. With a bargain buy to be a back up and introduced slowly. That would give us a chance to identify a proper replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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