Rob182 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Pointless comparison. Ofc. keepers for dogshit teams will average lots of saves. Not a chance he was or is a top 5 keeper. I don’t understand this logic. You’re right that it’s obvious that the teams at the bottom will face more shots, but the amount of ‘goals conceded:shots saved’ would surely reflect whether the keeper was bad/okay/good? You can’t just say that a keeper of a relegated team making a decent amount of saves is a pointless stat. Those shots would have resulted in goals if he was a worse keeper. You could look at every keeper in the league and see how many saves he made in 100 shots. Irrespective of the league position of the club, the stat would still give you a half-decent representation of how good a keeper they are. The only difference with the teams at the bottom, is that you’d reach the 100 shot mark much quicker than you would a team at the top. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chewie said: If they get him on local TV singing or doing some stupid stuff in a Villa shirt then maybe 4 or 5 people might take notice Not that it matters, Fanatics don't ship kits here anyway. I'm 100% behind the signing though, will save me loads of time explaining who Villa are when I can just say "Our keeper is Filipino and our owner own's the bucks" ('dem Filipino's love basketball). Might also stop the Mrs being a secret Manc oh right, are the Phillipines not a football loving nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Rob182 said: I don’t understand this logic. You’re right that it’s obvious that the teams at the bottom will face more shots, but the amount of ‘goals conceded:shots saved’ would surely reflect whether the keeper was bad/okay/good? You can’t just say that a keeper of a relegated team making a decent amount of saves is a pointless stat. Those shots would have resulted in goals if he was a worse keeper. You could look at every keeper in the league and see how many saves he made in 100 shots. Irrespective of the league position of the club, the stat would still give you a half-decent representation of how good a keeper they are. The only difference with the teams at the bottom, is that you’d reach the 100 shot mark much quicker than you would a team at the top. I agree, you also need to factor in quality of shot/chance. Teams down the bottom with worse defences will allow more presentable chances and under less pressure than those towards the top with better defences. However, there are so many other variables you could factor in like shot distance, players stronger/weaker foot, etc. It really comes down to the quality of chance/shot saved. I think something like XG saved might be a better way to make comparisons... if there is such a thing. Even then I don't think it gives a good overall impression of a goalkeeper, simply their shot stopping ability which as we know is only part of being a good keeper nowadays. Personally if we are looking for a new number 1 keeper, I'd think we'd be looking for someone with better distribution than Ethridge because that's what Smith wants from his keeper to suit the system. In that regard I don't see him as an upgrade to Steer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) Think there is some very harsh criticism on here on his highlights reel! What I saw was a goalkeeper who stays on his feet right until the shot, leading to very good saves often off his head shoulder or arms. Also while there were a few camera saves, there were alot of genuinely excellent stops. Very strong hands / wrists. And watch it again, almost every parry was out of danger or straight to his own player. Even the punch back out down the middle at the end which on first glance looked poor. It was very controlled and straight to his own player in space. In fact every parry in the video either went safe or straight to his own player in space Looks good Not much shown in terms of claiming crosses though Edited June 3, 2019 by ramshackler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I didn't think we'd be looking at keepers this summer. But if we are, Etheridge looks great to me. Quite Bosnich like in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Not sure on Etheridge, honestly think Kalinic is worth a go. Not my £10m, but seems to me we're not as short between the sticks as almost every other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Not sure on Etheridge, honestly think Kalinic is worth a go. Not my £10m, but seems to me we're not as short between the sticks as almost every other position. Never a good thing being short between the sticks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompedyret Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: oh right, are the Phillipines not a football loving nation? Are they not? What a bunch of philistines! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Wow, maybe the club knows more than is being let on, but releasing players the way we have must suggest we are very confident on our positions with our targets? We are not the most attractive team in the market and didn’t have a big nor massively talented squad so this tact is intriguing. I thought the window was now open but am perplexed why so little activity there has been generally amongst all clubs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, thunderball said: Wow, maybe the club knows more than is being let on, but releasing players the way we have must suggest we are very confident on our positions with our targets? We are not the most attractive team in the market and didn’t have a big nor massively talented squad so this tact is intriguing. I thought the window was now open but am perplexed why so little activity there has been generally amongst all clubs? The window may be officially open but, by and large, this is the only real holiday footballers have so until preseason kicks in there will likely be relatively minimal movement. It either happens immediately (before they go on holiday) or will start rolling again in a few weeks/early next month building up to the normal panic the day before the season starts this year. Hoping deadwood is deadwood regardless of intended targets. The Bunn, Richards and McCormacks of our squad were never going to play. Only Whelen and Adomah really featured much towards end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompedyret Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, ramshackler said: Think there is some very harsh criticism on here on his highlights reel! What I saw was a goalkeeper who stays on his feet right until the shot, leading to very good saves often off his head shoulder or arms. Also while there were a few camera saves, there were alot of genuinely excellent stops. Very strong hands / wrists. And watch it again, almost every parry was out of danger or straight to his own player. Even the punch back out down the middle at the end which on first glance looked poor. It was very controlled and straight to his own player in space. In fact every parry in the video either went safe or straight to his own player in space Looks good Not much shown in terms of claiming crosses though With DS and the top brasses' dedication to the moneyball principle, I'm confident they have a pretty good picture of Etheridge's potential also when it comes to claiming crosses, commanding the box and distributing his balls. It also shows me that DS is willing to look at EVERY part of the team for improvements, putting sentiments aside. Makes me more excited about the summer, really, it's going to be a bloody interesting ride. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted June 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 hours ago, VillaHatesMe said: If we're looking for a keeper that can stop some balls but can't distribute to save his life, we already have him and his name is Jed Steer. Steer's distribution is actually very good. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 If we do sign Etheridge that’s 4 keepers who in their minds would be competing for the number one spot. Surely two would be leaving, perhaps Nyland permanently and Steer out on loan? Then there’s Sarkic but guess he’s a shoe in for a loan any which way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 We are being linked to just about everyone right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hornso said: We are being linked to just about everyone right now. Lebron James and Davos Seaworthy please. Thanos up front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Brumerican said: Lebron James and Davos Seaworthy please. Thanos up front. Thanos in goal surely? Never concede again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Thanos in goal surely? Never concede again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Captain Marvel in attack. Shows up well in the pre-season then does sod all but tap in when the real action begins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaluke Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 does anyone know the itk that is on twitter he was on there last few transfer windows but cant find the account now? think he know when a medical was booked etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Rob182 said: I don’t understand this logic. You’re right that it’s obvious that the teams at the bottom will face more shots, but the amount of ‘goals conceded:shots saved’ would surely reflect whether the keeper was bad/okay/good? You can’t just say that a keeper of a relegated team making a decent amount of saves is a pointless stat. Those shots would have resulted in goals if he was a worse keeper. You could look at every keeper in the league and see how many saves he made in 100 shots. Irrespective of the league position of the club, the stat would still give you a half-decent representation of how good a keeper they are. The only difference with the teams at the bottom, is that you’d reach the 100 shot mark much quicker than you would a team at the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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