peterms Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I wonder what they're going to call this new 'centrist' party? The Turd Way? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 You couldn't make it up Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: You couldn't make it up Jeff She's wrong, it wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, bickster said: She's wrong, it wouldn't I dunno, I think many more probably would. We'd be in a place where neither tories nor the labours would be able to govern. Both would be outsized by the opposition to them. It'd inevitiably lead to a GE, which no one wants in the short term, not even Jezza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, blandy said: I dunno, I think many more probably would. We'd be in a place where neither tories nor the labours would be able to govern. Both would be outsized by the opposition to them. It'd inevitiably lead to a GE, which no one wants in the short term, not even Jezza. If Jezza doesn't want a GE then there would not be one as under the FTPA there are only two ways to dissolve parliament, the VONC stuff from the other month or 2/3rds of the house voting to dissolve. If Jezza doesn't want an election, he has it within his power not to have one I suspect you are right that he doesn't, I also suspect that he could never say this publicly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, bickster said: If Jezza doesn't want a GE then there would not be one as under the FTPA there are only two ways to dissolve parliament, the VONC stuff from the other month or 2/3rds of the house voting to dissolve. If Jezza doesn't want an election, he has it within his power not to have one I suspect you are right that he doesn't, I also suspect that he could never say this publicly It wouldn't have to be Catweazle who put forward a motion of No Confidence, would it? Someone else could do it surely - It's not (afaik) limited to the leader of the official oppo (only) who can do it - I mean if the SNPs and a bunch of other freeminded MPs from the Tiggers, etc got a motion with enough sigs backing it, then it could get voted on, and then Catweazle would be in a bind (short term). He wants Brexit to happen. That's his priority. Then he wants it to hurt, then he wants to pick up support from angry voters, then he wants a GE. That's his "plan". A GE before Brexit is a nightmare for him. Because if he winss he'd have to either do Brexit, which he wants, and get the blame for the consequences - thus ending forever his 1970s utopian dreams, or he'd have to call Brexit off and go against his lifelong anti EU beliefs. He's just spent 2 years fannying around pretending to be both Leave and Remain so as not to lose (alleged) angry Northerners and (alleged) remainy southerners. Obv. if he loses a GE before Brexit happens, he gets replaced as leader and..game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The Tiggers (well, Chris Leslie) said yesterday that they intend to vote 'confidence' in a VONC because now isn't the time for an election. If I were Corbyn, and it was actually possible, which it might not be, I would call a VONC and force them to do that, to get that vote on the record for banking for a future election campaign. However, as I say, I don't know how plausible that is. One thing we know is that three more defections will cause the government to have no working majority even with the DUP. Of course, they seem to be safe in a VONC but then there will be a budget in April, and then there's (in theory) three more years of this Parliament, so I don't think Allen is that far off to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, blandy said: It wouldn't have to be Catweazle who put forward a motion of No Confidence, would it? No, absolutely not but we've already seen that the votes simply aren't there for this so that only leaves the 2/3rds majority to dissolve, Labour have over 1/3rd of the seats hence it being entirely within his control at that point, for dissolution Labour control enough seats to block it was my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bickster said: No, absolutely not but we've already seen that the votes simply aren't there for this so that only leaves the 2/3rds majority to dissolve, Labour have over 1/3rd of the seats hence it being entirely within his control at that point, for dissolution Labour control enough seats to block it was my point They weren't there (the votes) but that's what I meant in my post about if many more tories do a runner a GE might well happen, because the votes would likely be there with the ex-tories now on the other side, potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, blandy said: They weren't therer (the votes) but that's what I meant in my post about if many more tories do a runner a GE might well happen, because the votes would likely be there with the ex-tories now on the other side, potentially. TIG will not currently vote to dissolve parliament, I think they've already stated this. See @HanoiVillanpost above 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 21, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2019 The Not-Party don't want an election as it would likely kill them in their cot. They've not got the groundwork done to prepare for an election, especially as they're rumoured to be aiming at marginals. And an election now also importantly gives Corbyn a chance at Downing Street, even if only small, and he is the Great Satan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, blandy said: It wouldn't have to be Catweazle who put forward a motion of No Confidence, would it? The government is only obliged to give time to motions tabled by the official opposition which is why, I think, the officially worded one by the SNP, Lib Dems et al. before christmas didn't come to anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, snowychap said: The government is only obliged to give time to motions tabled by the official opposition which is why, I think, the officially worded one by the SNP, Lib Dems et al. before christmas didn't come to anything. Thanks Snowy. I suppose turkeys and christmas, so if convention only obliges them to actually do a vote on a Catweazle motion of NC, they'd be unlikely to allow a vote on (say) a SNP led one. Mind you in these crazy times... I mean like (speculating wildly) May loses some vote on some Brexity thing (again), Corbyn decides not to do a VONC, but pretty much everyone else (Maybe even May) wants one (e.g. Tories ahead of Catweazle in the Polls) so she might let a SNP proposed vote go ahead? She is mad as a box of frogs #clutchingatstraws. No, me neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: Thanks Snowy. I suppose turkeys and christmas, so if convention only obliges them to actually do a vote on a Catweazle motion of NC, they'd be unlikely to allow a vote on (say) a SNP led one. Mind you in these crazy times... I mean like (speculating wildly) May loses some vote on some Brexity thing (again), Corbyn decides not to do a VONC, but pretty much everyone else (Maybe even May) wants one (e.g. Tories ahead of Catweazle in the Polls) so she might let a SNP proposed vote go ahead? She is mad as a box of frogs #clutchingatstraws. No, me neither I guess the government could also table the motion. I doubt they'd decline time for their own motion, though with this lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 If they're going to get called the Tiggers then I go back on my previous optimism and hope they burn slowly and painfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: If they're going to get called the Tiggers then I go back on my previous optimism and hope they burn slowly and painfully. How would you feel about "The Tingers" instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, peterms said: How would you feel about "The Tingers" instead? It's slightly funnier I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 We have no policies! This is a new and exciting way of doing things! People are tired of "policies". We have shared values, man, because that's like, where the cool kids are at. Did I say that right, Chucky love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 21, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, peterms said: We have no policies! This is a new and exciting way of doing things! People are tired of "policies". We have shared values, man, because that's like, where the cool kids are at. Did I say that right, Chucky love? You don't think that a full manifesto inside two days is quite a big ask? Labour took two years to settle on a Brexit policy after all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, ml1dch said: You don't think that a full manifesto inside two days is quite a big ask? You think they just woke up one morning this week and thought "You know what, I'm going to form a new party - no, grouping - with a few other people, but I have no idea about what we want to propose, I'm sure something will emerge eventually"? I haven't seen demands for a full manifesto down to the level of pricing policy for plastic bags in supermarkets and the best way to replace the Council Tax. I have seen people asking about whether Brexit is their definjng issue, whether they are for austerity and against renationalisation (as suggested by their voting records); but answer came there none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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